How it started

[Kaldin]

It all sounds absurd to me. If Jeremy really didn't want to be a farmer, why was Nevill persisting with the idea that he must do it? Jeremy of course could have walked away, but why did his parents not discuss with him what he'd like to do instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole? I know that June's family in particular were all into farming - don't know about Nevill's relatives - but there are other things besides farming. Instead of buying land because Ann wanted them to, why didn't they talk about their own children's future and try to sort things out?

Is it possible that Jeremy actually liked farming, and that all this stuff about him hating it is nonsense?

[notsure]

It all sounds absurd to me. If Jeremy really didn't want to be a farmer, why was Nevill persisting with the idea that he must do it? Jeremy of course could have walked away, but why did his parents not discuss with him what he'd like to do instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole? I know that June's family in particular were all into farming - don't know about Nevill's relatives - but there are other things besides farming. Instead of buying land because Ann wanted them to, why didn't they talk about their own children's future and try to sort things out?

Is it possible that Jeremy actually liked farming, and that all this stuff about him hating it is nonsense?

I think it’s been blown up out of all proportion .

[Kaldin]

I think it’s been blown up out of all proportion .

I don't recall Jeremy saying that he hated farming or anything like that, so where has this stuff come from?

[guest2181]

It all sounds absurd to me. If Jeremy really didn't want to be a farmer, why was Nevill persisting with the idea that he must do it? Jeremy of course could have walked away, but why did his parents not discuss with him what he'd like to do instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole? I know that June's family in particular were all into farming - don't know about Nevill's relatives - but there are other things besides farming. Instead of buying land because Ann wanted them to, why didn't they talk about their own children's future and try to sort things out?

Is it possible that Jeremy actually liked farming, and that all this stuff about him hating it is nonsense?

I don't see it like that.

I think NB realised that in order to be a 'successful farmer', then JB would have needed the land and funds to accommodate that career.

If he did not want to take up farming, then Sheila and JB would get the same.

[Kaldin]

I don't see it like that.

I think NB realised that in order to be a 'successful farmer', then JB would have needed the land and funds to accommodate that career.

If he did not want to take up farming, then Sheila and JB would get the same.

Are you referring to the Will? I agree with you. There are two ways to look at that Will. The first is that Nevill was saying he'd reduce Jeremy's inheritance if he refused to be a farmer. The second is that Jeremy needed more than Sheila if he was going to carry on farming, but if he didn't carry on then they might as well have half each.

What I'm questioning is this assumption that Jeremy hated farming and killed them all so he could get out of it and get to keep all the money.

[Jane]

It all sounds absurd to me. If Jeremy really didn't want to be a farmer, why was Nevill persisting with the idea that he must do it? Jeremy of course could have walked away, but why did his parents not discuss with him what he'd like to do instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole? I know that June's family in particular were all into farming - don't know about Nevill's relatives - but there are other things besides farming. Instead of buying land because Ann wanted them to, why didn't they talk about their own children's future and try to sort things out?

Is it possible that Jeremy actually liked farming, and that all this stuff about him hating it is nonsense?

I think this is a good example of needing to stand in another's shoes before they can be understood. You seem to have little understanding of what effect controlling parents can have on the lives of their children -even through to adulthood. They didn't discuss Jeremy's future because there'd have been no point. Jeremy's future was mapped out for him.

[lookout]

I don't recall Jeremy saying that he hated farming or anything like that, so where has this stuff come from?

Something which JM had said he'd told her.

[Jane]

I don't recall Jeremy saying that he hated farming or anything like that, so where has this stuff come from?

Actions speak rather louder than words. Try weighing up the amount of time -since leaving school and NOT going to ag college- Jeremy had spent working on the farm, against the time he'd spent at college, doing various menial jobs, moving away from home to facilitate these jobs, and trips to Australasia.

[guest2181]

Are you referring to the Will? I agree with you. There are two ways to look at that Will. The first is that Nevill was saying he'd reduce Jeremy's inheritance if he refused to be a farmer. The second is that Jeremy needed more than Sheila if he was going to carry on farming, but if he didn't carry on then they might as well have half each.

What I'm questioning is this assumption that Jeremy hated farming and killed them all so he could get out of it and get to keep all the money.

I don't know whether he hated farming, or hard work, but his employment history isn't necessarily in keeping with a typical 'young farmer'. There was no agricultural college courses etc.

He wasn't that young, he was 24. I think he played the part of a spoilt brat being funded by wealthy parents very well.

I can see why some people might think farming wasn't his chosen way of life.

[lookout]

 I don't know ANY 24 year olds who work their fingers to the bone !
Half of them couldn't work in convulsions 

[Jane]

I don't know whether he hated farming, or hard work, but his employment history isn't necessarily in keeping with a typical 'young farmer'. There was no agricultural college courses etc.

He wasn't that young, he was 24. I think he played the part of a spoilt brat being funded by wealthy parents very well.

I can see why some people might think farming wasn't his chosen way of life.

I, and now you, have both picked up on that Jeremy avoided ag college. Hardly indicative of someone eager to take up farming. OK Royal Cheltenham may have been out of the question, but Writtle Ag. wasn't much further than NEETC in Colchester. I've said he hated farming, perhaps it was work, per se that he hated.

[Kaldin]

I think this is a good example of needing to stand in another's shoes before they can be understood. You seem to have little understanding of what effect controlling parents can have on the lives of their children -even through to adulthood. They didn't discuss Jeremy's future because there'd have been no point. Jeremy's future was mapped out for him.

This is what I'm questioning. Was it actually mapped out for him? Maybe he did want to go into farming - it's only others who have said he didn't. Where is the evidence that he didn't want to?

[Kaldin]

Actions speak rather louder than words. Try weighing up the amount of time -since leaving school and NOT going to ag college- Jeremy had spent working on the farm, against the time he'd spent at college, doing various menial jobs, moving away from home to facilitate these jobs, and trips to Australasia.

So maybe he wanted to try other things first, but that doesn't mean that he didn't like farming.

[lookout]

This is what I'm questioning. Was it actually mapped out for him? Maybe he did want to go into farming - it's only others who have said he didn't. Where is the evidence that he didn't want to?

JM's witness statement.

[guest2181]

I, and now you, have both picked up on that Jeremy avoided ag college. Hardly indicative of someone eager to take up farming. OK Royal Cheltenham may have been out of the question, but Writtle Ag. wasn't much further than NEETC in Colchester. I've said he hated farming, perhaps it was work, per se that he hated.

There is certainly a perception that he wanted things handed to him on a plate.