How it started

[Jane]

How can you disprove it if you have no evidence to back you up?

OK, so you can lie through your teeth and insist that you phoned me and we had a conversation, coz I can't prove you didn't. It gets worse, if -God forbid- you should die and your family insist you phoned me and had a conversation with me, I'm in an even more difficult situation because you haven't got the opportunity of telling the truth.

[Lucy522]

Ha! If he was to 'reserved' to allow outside agencies to know about his daughter's mental history, I'm perfectly certain he wouldn't want anyone to know how scared of Jeremy he was. I imagine it took a lot to reduce him to tears.

Where have i said that? I'm pretty sure it was Neville who paid for Sheilas treatment at st Andrews? Id say that's an outside agency? Maybe the closer community, funny how even the family never even knew of Sheilas hospitilisation? Yet they were so close?

[Jane]

And you get onto me when I talk about the incompetency of professionals,yet here you are doubting a QC,lawyer/solicitor and many others who are attached  to the law ?

Oh, c'mon! That's cheesy to say the least. I seem to recall that 10 out of 12 jury members didn't believe his 'professionals', either.

[Jane]

Where have i said that? I'm pretty sure it was Neville who paid for Sheilas treatment at st Andrews? Id say that's an outside agency? Maybe the closer community, funny how even the family never even knew of Sheilas hospitilisation? Yet they were so close?

Indeed, but far enough away that neither family nor employees got a whiff of what was happening. Extreme measures given that Sheila lived in London so her absences didn't have to be explained away.

[Steve_uk]

Now that's just plain stupid.

David we're dealing with multiple homicide, which rarely appears from a vacuum.

[Steve_uk]

I just can't see how, if Neville was in fear for his life why on earth they'd continue to employ Jeremy, pay for his house etc and other perks; and let him go around unsupervised on a farm full of firearms, I agree Jeremy and some of the things he did were totally uncouth but the only person in the household who had a history of being delusional and psychotic was Sheila,

Well he told John Seward June wouldn't let him throw him out (to use Seward's expression). Barbara Wilson said post-mortems that he believed he was the target but not the whole family.

[Lucy522]

OK, so you can lie through your teeth and insist that you phoned me and we had a conversation, coz I can't prove you didn't. It gets worse, if -God forbid- you should die and your family insist you phoned me and had a conversation with me, I'm in an even more difficult situation because you haven't got the opportunity of telling the truth.

Yep that's exactly how it works, but no one would ever know if I we're telling the truth either would They? So your argument is pointless, it can't be proved either way,

[Jane]

Yep that's exactly how it works, but no one would ever know if I we're telling the truth either would They? So your argument is pointless, it can't be proved either way,

So in this case, those on your (Jeremy's) side would be prepared to call me (Police) a liar despite that I'm telling the truth?

[Lucy522]

So in this case, those on your (Jeremy's) side would be prepared to call me (Police) a liar despite that I'm telling the truth?

You can't call anyone a liar unless you have concrete evidence,
What you WANT to believe and what you can prove are 2 different things,
You seem to be missing the point, there are no phone records to disprove or prove any phone calls, which is why it's debated so much as there is a valid argument on both sides,
Unless you know something everyone else doesn't? Which i.doubt very much

[Jane]

Despite that you're saying that one can't label anyone as a liar without proof -and I TOTALLY agree- that's exactly what'd being said of the police. Not that it really matters. It's down to those who accuse to prove THEIR point. I don't believe I'm missing ANY point.

[Lucy522]

Despite that you're saying that one can't label anyone as a liar without proof -and I TOTALLY agree- that's exactly what'd being said of the police. Not that it really matters. It's down to those who accuse to prove THEIR point. I don't believe I'm missing ANY point.

Cool, glad that's cleared up

[Lucy522]

Well he told John Seward June wouldn't let him throw him out (to use Seward's expression). Barbara Wilson said post-mortems that he believed he was the target but not the whole family.

I don't u understand why Barbara changed stance so much, wanting to kill one person and committing mass murder on 2 innocent children? He had plenty of opportunity to kill Neville without taking them all out.

[Steve_uk]

I don't u understand why Barbara changed stance so much, wanting to kill one person and committing mass murder on 2 innocent children? He had plenty of opportunity to kill Neville without taking them all out.

I presume because he was an inheritance killer, as Adam has persuasively argued.

[Jane]

I don't u understand why Barbara changed stance so much, wanting to kill one person and committing mass murder on 2 innocent children? He had plenty of opportunity to kill Neville without taking them all out.

I don't imagine Nevill thought the bad feelings went anywhere beyond himself.

[lookout]

I presume because he was an inheritance killer, as Adam has persuasively argued.

That's wearing a bit thin now Steve.