How it started

[Lucy522]

To fully comprehend the nature of the crimes one has to understand the relationship between Nevill and Jeremy: less father and son than employer and employee. Jeremy arrived at work from Bourtree Cottage, a situation about which he felt bitter because of its crampedness and inability to impress guests. He would then be given orders for the day like any other worker and expect to muck in. He rebelled at this initially in mild and innocuous ways, wearing skin tight trousers and make-up, though becoming emboldened as time progressed with the Osea Road break-in.

Why not kill the goose which laid the golden egg? His inheritance was at its zenith, with past hospital charges for June and Sheila, and possible private school fees for the boys. June was also arranging an annual allowance for Sheila, and Jeremy felt he was losing control.

Nevill brought up Jeremy as he himself had been reared: packed off to school at an early age, no favouritism expressed, never any emotion face to face, though there were tears to close friend John Seward. June realized early in the marriage her duty was to produce an heir, though both parents must have despaired at how Jeremy had evolved, his late conversion to any interest in farming due to the ulterior motive of inheritance, as farm secretary Barbara Wilson had guessed.

It's within the context of this environment that one assesses the likelihood of a call to Jeremy emanating from Nevill. Why not call Len Foakes first, or indeed Colin? What could his son possibly achieve that Nevill himself could not?

The reason for the alleged telephone call is to give Jeremy as excuse to approach the Farm, and loiter he did, though in the presence of Police, who were to form his alibi. With all occupants inside deceased and therefore unable to corroborate any story it was Jeremy who gained the upper hand, and almost did legally abscond, but for his amateurish mistakes and a story which under scrutiny began to fall apart.

Hi Steve,
I'd tend to believe IF Neville did pho e Jeremy it would of been more of a case of him not wanting others to know about the extent of Sheilas illness, did he kno len foakes or colins number off by heart?  He knew Jeremy was close, I don't believe their relationship was as tempestuous as some would like us to believe in my opinion.

[lookout]

It seemed pretty archaic to me. Obviously not the same as  the exchange was 250 miles away where I am.

[Jane]

What never happened?

A phone call.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve,
I'd tend to believe IF Neville did pho e Jeremy it would of been more of a case of him not wanting others to know about the extent of Sheilas illness, did he kno len foakes or colins number off by heart?  He knew Jeremy was close, I don't believe their relationship was as tempestuous as some would like us to believe in my opinion.

But by the end he was in fear of his life, to which the remark about the putative shooting accident to Barbara Wilson attests. Jeremy had enjoyed two foreign jaunts at his parents' expense and the bills were adding up, June herself refusing to write any more cheques in his favour since Easter.

It's under these circumstances that the crimes must be evaluated: the separation from the birth mother, the bonding with June only to be sent away for eight long years, June's illness again followed by Sheila, then Sheila's illness two years later. It's no wonder Jeremy began to feel he was the only sane one amongst them ,especially after Nevill's moroseness and infirmity at the end.

[Lucy522]

A phone call.

And you know that how?

[Jane]

Hi Steve,
I'd tend to believe IF Neville did pho e Jeremy it would of been more of a case of him not wanting others to know about the extent of Sheilas illness, did he kno len foakes or colins number off by heart?  He knew Jeremy was close, I don't believe their relationship was as tempestuous as some would like us to believe in my opinion.

Exactly how worried was he if he allegedly looked up the number of a police station rather than calling 999, which of course, WOULD have been registered. I wonder why you believe his relationship with Jeremy was a comfortable one.

[lookout]

A phone call.

So Jeremy has led everyone up the garden path all these years ? Don't you think you'd better get in touch with the legal team to save them any more bother ?

[Jane]

And you know that how?

Coz if you don't call my number and have a conversation with me, how can I prove you didn't?

[Lucy522]

But by the end he was in fear of his life, to which the remark about the putative shooting accident to Barbara Wilson attests. Jeremy had enjoyed two foreign jaunts at his parents' expense and the bills were adding up, June herself refusing to write any more cheques in his favour since Easter.

It's under these circumstances that the crimes must be evaluated: the separation from the birth mother, the bonding with June only to be sent away for eight long years, June's illness again followed by Sheila, then Sheila's illness two years later. It's no wonder Jeremy began to feel he was the only sane one amongst them ,especially after Nevill's moroseness and infirmity at the end.

I just can't see how, if Neville was in fear for his life why on earth they'd continue to employ Jeremy, pay for his house etc and other perks; and let him go around unsupervised on a farm full of firearms, I agree Jeremy and some of the things he did were totally uncouth but the only person in the household who had a history of being delusional and psychotic was Sheila,

[Lucy522]

Coz if you don't call my number and have a conversation with me, how can I prove you didn't?

How can you disprove it if you have no evidence to back you up?

[David1819]

But by the end he was in fear of his life, to which the remark about the putative shooting accident to Barbara Wilson attests. Jeremy had enjoyed two foreign jaunts at his parents' expense and the bills were adding up, June herself refusing to write any more cheques in his favour since Easter.

It's under these circumstances that the crimes must be evaluated: the separation from the birth mother, the bonding with June only to be sent away for eight long years, June's illness again followed by Sheila, then Sheila's illness two years later. It's no wonder Jeremy began to feel he was the only sane one amongst them ,especially after Nevill's moroseness and infirmity at the end.

Now that's just plain stupid.

[Jane]

So Jeremy has led everyone up the garden path all these years ? Don't you think you'd better get in touch with the legal team to save them any more bother ?

Yeah, you're dead right I believe Jeremy has lead everyone up the garden path. It's entirely up to his legal team what they choose to believe, At the end of the day, it's about who's prepared to swallow the story.

[guest154]

So Jeremy has led everyone up the garden path all these years ? Don't you think you'd better get in touch with the legal team to save them any more bother ?

Sort of, yeah. That's why the Campaign team aren't the legal team. They're used to drum up awareness and public support, although quite poor at both. That's why much of these breakthroughs that the CT come up with and promote... don't actually get used by the legal team.

[Jane]

I just can't see how, if Neville was in fear for his life why on earth they'd continue to employ Jeremy, pay for his house etc and other perks; and let him go around unsupervised on a farm full of firearms, I agree Jeremy and some of the things he did were totally uncouth but the only person in the household who had a history of being delusional and psychotic was Sheila,

Ha! If he was to 'reserved' to allow outside agencies to know about his daughter's mental history, I'm perfectly certain he wouldn't want anyone to know how scared of Jeremy he was. I imagine it took a lot to reduce him to tears.

[lookout]

Yeah, you're dead right I believe Jeremy has lead everyone up the garden path. It's entirely up to his legal team what they choose to believe, At the end of the day, it's about who's prepared to swallow the story.

And you get onto me when I talk about the incompetency of professionals,yet here you are doubting a QC,lawyer/solicitor and many others who are attached  to the law ?