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Offline lookout

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Re: How it started
« Reply #120 on: October 21, 2017, 08:02:PM »
A further call would have cancelled out the previous call to Jeremy. A call made after JB.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #121 on: October 21, 2017, 08:02:PM »
How does one prove something which never happened?
What never happened?

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Re: How it started
« Reply #122 on: October 21, 2017, 08:03:PM »
If Jeremy's phone needed to be replaced for one minute, how come he got the engaged tone when he tried to ring his father back? Did he really wait for a minute before ringing back?

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Re: How it started
« Reply #123 on: October 21, 2017, 08:03:PM »
What do you mean Lucy?
If Jeremy phoned straight back and the line was engaged, it must of been on another call or when he picked up the phone it would still be connected to whf?

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Re: How it started
« Reply #124 on: October 21, 2017, 08:04:PM »
If Jeremy's phone needed to be replaced for one minute, how come he got the engaged tone when he tried to ring his father back? Did he really wait for a minute before ringing back?

Yes that's what I mean kaldin

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Re: How it started
« Reply #125 on: October 21, 2017, 08:07:PM »
Yes that's what I mean kaldin

Oh right.  :)) Yes, I'm puzzled about that too.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #126 on: October 21, 2017, 08:09:PM »
If Jeremy's phone needed to be replaced for one minute, how come he got the engaged tone when he tried to ring his father back? Did he really wait for a minute before ringing back?






Yes. You don't know how long an engaged call lasts so you just keep waiting,then re- dialling until the line's clear.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #127 on: October 21, 2017, 08:11:PM »





Yes. You don't know how long an engaged call lasts so you just keep waiting,then re- dialling until the line's clear.

I read somewhere that Jeremy's phone would have to be disconnected for one full minute, so if he kept redialling, it wouldn't be disconnected. I'll see if I can find that info.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #128 on: October 21, 2017, 08:15:PM »
I read somewhere that Jeremy's phone would have to be disconnected for one full minute, so if he kept redialling, it wouldn't be disconnected. I'll see if I can find that info.
All very confusing

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Re: How it started
« Reply #129 on: October 21, 2017, 08:19:PM »
Here is the statement from Robert Cox.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.msg209643.html#msg209643

He's basically saying that if Jeremy had picked up the receiver and tried to call out, that minute (or two) would have to start all over again.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #130 on: October 21, 2017, 08:25:PM »
I have not seen the following idea discussed before.

If Sheila was going crazy with the gun but had not actually shot anyone then what was Nevill thinking ?

I doubt very much indeed that he wanted Sheila arrested for all sorts of reasons.

If Nevill had phoned the police then Sheila would most likely have been arrested.

So maybe Nevill was simply thinking that it was time for Sheila to be sectioned ...

Logically this is probably what Nevill was actually thinking ...

Nevill may have realised that if Sheila knew he was going to have her sectioned then she might resist and react badly.

This could explain his call to Jeremy and not the police.

Nevill maybe wanted Jeremy to contact the hospital and/or help Sheila be sectioned.

Does anyone know who you call if some one needs sectioning ? How is it arranged ?

I guess sometimes the police or G.P's arrange it - but who does a family phone when it needs doing ?

Are families of discharged patients given a number to call 24/7 if they have concerns about the ex patient ?

I hope every one can at least agree that it might have crossed Nevills mind that Sheila would need sectioning in the mental hospital when she first picked the gun up and started acting crazy ?

Was this why he called Jeremy ?
To fully comprehend the nature of the crimes one has to understand the relationship between Nevill and Jeremy: less father and son than employer and employee. Jeremy arrived at work from Bourtree Cottage, a situation about which he felt bitter because of its crampedness and inability to impress guests, and which he had to furbish out of his own pocket. He would then be given orders for the day like any other worker and expect to muck in. He rebelled at this initially in mild and innocuous ways, wearing skin tight trousers and make-up, though becoming emboldened as time progressed with the Osea Road break-in.

Why not kill the goose which laid the golden egg? His inheritance was at its zenith, with past hospital charges for June and Sheila, and possible private school fees for the boys. June was also arranging an annual allowance for Sheila, and Jeremy felt he was losing control.

Nevill brought up Jeremy as he himself had been reared: packed off to school at an early age, no favouritism expressed, never any emotion face to face, though there were tears to close friend John Seward. June realized early in the marriage her duty was to produce an heir, though both parents must have despaired at how Jeremy had evolved, his late conversion to any interest in farming due to the ulterior motive of inheritance, as farm secretary Barbara Wilson had guessed.

It's within the context of this environment that one assesses the likelihood of a call to Jeremy emanating from Nevill. Why not call Len Foakes first, or indeed Colin? What could his son possibly achieve that Nevill himself could not?

The reason for the alleged telephone call is to give Jeremy as excuse to approach the Farm, and loiter he did, though in the presence of Police, who were to form his alibi. With all occupants inside deceased and therefore unable to corroborate any story it was Jeremy who gained the upper hand, and almost did legally abscond, but for his amateurish mistakes and a story which under scrutiny began to fall apart.
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Re: How it started
« Reply #131 on: October 21, 2017, 08:27:PM »
I read somewhere that Jeremy's phone would have to be disconnected for one full minute, so if he kept redialling, it wouldn't be disconnected. I'll see if I can find that info.






I've never heard that before.There's no need to disconnect any phone ?

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Re: How it started
« Reply #132 on: October 21, 2017, 08:28:PM »
I read somewhere that Jeremy's phone would have to be disconnected for one full minute, so if he kept redialling, it wouldn't be disconnected. I'll see if I can find that info.






I've never heard of that before.Phones don't need to be disconnected.

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Re: How it started
« Reply #133 on: October 21, 2017, 08:29:PM »
Here is the statement from Robert Cox.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.msg209643.html#msg209643

He's basically saying that if Jeremy had picked up the receiver and tried to call out, that minute (or two) would have to start all over again.

If I remember correctly. Jeremy had a rather funky digital type phone. How will the base unit respond to the handset in such circumstance?

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Re: How it started
« Reply #134 on: October 21, 2017, 08:31:PM »





I've never heard that before.There's no need to disconnect any phone ?

Sorry - not disconnected. I mean Jeremy's phone would have to be on the hook for a continuous period of 1-2 minutes before he could use his phone to call anyone.