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« Reply #375 on: October 17, 2017, 07:28:PM »
Do we know when the sights were removed exactly?






Not really Steve,but they wouldn't have been needed in the dark when JB heard rabbits. It's removed with a special screwdriver isn't it ? And fiddly too if you don't know how.

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« Reply #376 on: October 17, 2017, 07:29:PM »
It's called a sound moderator. Some people say "silencer" because it's easier to type.

People say people inside WHF would have woken if it was Bamber. However then say he wouldn't use a 'sound moderator' as it would apparently make little difference.

Not sure why the twins & June didn't wake if Sheila had been up a long time. Nevill certainly woke & got out of bed. Then went & woke Bamber from sleeping 'like a log'.

Do you agree with the judge that Nevill's call to Bamber was 'mysterious' ?
« Last Edit: October 17, 2017, 07:30:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #377 on: October 17, 2017, 07:45:PM »





Not really Steve,but they wouldn't have been needed in the dark when JB heard rabbits. It's removed with a special screwdriver isn't it ? And fiddly too if you don't know how.
That's true but you don't start messing with the sights if you've made a split-second decision to chase rabbits. It suggests to me that even at that stage incredibly Jeremy had still yet to make up his mind on the massacre, the "it's now or never" remark to Julie during that first telephone call tending to confirm this. The tragedy is that it almost was "never", but I think the chance programme on miscarriages tipped the balance of his mind and he was determined to reserve the most vitriol for June, whom he blamed for causing his and Suzette's shared heartbreak.

It's possible that Jeremy took the murder weapon home to dismantle, this being the cause of Nevill's anger when Barbara rang, as he looked around for the missing gun. It's possible that Jeremy kept the silencer on (remember his lies that first morning about it not fitting into the gun cupboard with silencer attached, suggesting he had a guilty conscience over something to hide) and cleaned it with a tampon cut in two, before replacing it in the gun cupboard lest Anthony Pargeter reported it missing.
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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #378 on: October 17, 2017, 07:48:PM »
That's true but you don't start messing with the sights if you've made a split-second decision to chase rabbits. It suggests to me that even at that stage incredibly Jeremy had still yet to make up his mind on the massacre, the "it's now or never" remark to Julie during that first telephone call tending to confirm this. The tragedy is that it almost was "never", but I think the chance programme on miscarriages tipped the balance of his mind and he was determined to reserve the most vitriol for June, whom he blamed for causing his and Suzette's shared heartbreak.

It's possible that Jeremy took the murder weapon home to dismantle, this being the cause of Nevill's anger when Barbara rang, as he looked around for the missing gun. It's possible that Jeremy kept the silencer on (remember his lies that first morning about it not fitting into the gun cupboard with silencer attached, suggesting he had a guilty conscience over something to hide) and cleaned it with a tampon cut in two, before replacing it in the gun cupboard lest Anthony Pargeter reported it missing.
I was under the impression that what JB actually said was it would not fit into the gun case with the silencer attached but I may be remembering that wrong..

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« Reply #379 on: October 17, 2017, 07:57:PM »
I was under the impression that what JB actually said was it would not fit into the gun case with the silencer attached but I may be remembering that wrong..
Well he had to backtrack on that point when picked up on it.
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« Reply #380 on: October 17, 2017, 08:10:PM »
Well he had to backtrack on that point when picked up on it.
Did he, I don't remember that. I agree it is a poor argument to say it wouldn't fit in the cupboard with the moderator on unless it was true. :-\
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« Reply #381 on: October 17, 2017, 09:02:PM »
David has said the blood was planted.

He is correct.

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« Reply #382 on: October 17, 2017, 09:12:PM »
He is correct.

Do you think it was the relatives or EP who planted the blood ?
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« Reply #383 on: October 17, 2017, 09:40:PM »
Could have been either.The left hand never knew what the right hand was ever doing in both cases.

It could well have come from RWB's finger--------------same group as Sheila's. Depends whether he'd cut his finger before the silencer had been handed in. I imagine they'd have known what blood group Sheila had been,beforehand.
 Hadn't DB said that he " had something up his sleeve " when he " found " the silencer ?

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« Reply #384 on: October 17, 2017, 09:50:PM »
People say people inside WHF would have woken if it was Bamber. However then say he wouldn't use a 'sound moderator' as it would apparently make little difference.

Not sure why the twins & June didn't wake if Sheila had been up a long time. Nevill certainly woke & got out of bed. Then went & woke Bamber from sleeping 'like a log'.

Do you agree with the judge that Nevill's call to Bamber was 'mysterious' ?

Yes, I do find it mysterious. It can only have happened if no shooting had started IMO and Sheila hadn't gone "berserk". I don't think that Jeremy used that word did he? If she hadn't gone "berserk" and shot anyone, Nevill should have been able to take it off her.

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« Reply #385 on: October 17, 2017, 09:52:PM »
That's true but you don't start messing with the sights if you've made a split-second decision to chase rabbits. It suggests to me that even at that stage incredibly Jeremy had still yet to make up his mind on the massacre, the "it's now or never" remark to Julie during that first telephone call tending to confirm this. The tragedy is that it almost was "never", but I think the chance programme on miscarriages tipped the balance of his mind and he was determined to reserve the most vitriol for June, whom he blamed for causing his and Suzette's shared heartbreak.

It's possible that Jeremy took the murder weapon home to dismantle, this being the cause of Nevill's anger when Barbara rang, as he looked around for the missing gun. It's possible that Jeremy kept the silencer on (remember his lies that first morning about it not fitting into the gun cupboard with silencer attached, suggesting he had a guilty conscience over something to hide) and cleaned it with a tampon cut in two, before replacing it in the gun cupboard lest Anthony Pargeter reported it missing.

I don't think any of that happened. David Boutflour said he saw red paint on it and/or blood. If Jeremy had cleaned it, he would have done a better job. I don't think he cleaned it with a tampon either.

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« Reply #386 on: October 17, 2017, 10:08:PM »
Yes, I do find it mysterious. It can only have happened if no shooting had started IMO and Sheila hadn't gone "berserk". I don't think that Jeremy used that word did he? If she hadn't gone "berserk" and shot anyone, Nevill should have been able to take it off her.

I agree that Nevill could only speak to Bamber if no shooting had started.

However Nevill's words contradict this - 'Sheila's gone crazy & she's got the gun'.

If 'crazy' didn't mean shooting. What was Sheila 'crazily' doing with the gun ? 

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« Reply #387 on: October 17, 2017, 10:09:PM »
That's true but you don't start messing with the sights if you've made a split-second decision to chase rabbits. It suggests to me that even at that stage incredibly Jeremy had still yet to make up his mind on the massacre, the "it's now or never" remark to Julie during that first telephone call tending to confirm this. The tragedy is that it almost was "never", but I think the chance programme on miscarriages tipped the balance of his mind and he was determined to reserve the most vitriol for June, whom he blamed for causing his and Suzette's shared heartbreak.

It's possible that Jeremy took the murder weapon home to dismantle, this being the cause of Nevill's anger when Barbara rang, as he looked around for the missing gun. It's possible that Jeremy kept the silencer on (remember his lies that first morning about it not fitting into the gun cupboard with silencer attached, suggesting he had a guilty conscience over something to hide) and cleaned it with a tampon cut in two, before replacing it in the gun cupboard lest Anthony Pargeter reported it missing.

AP had also shot rabbits without a telescopic attached. Guess he must be a mass murderer also  :-\

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« Reply #388 on: October 17, 2017, 10:10:PM »
I agree that Nevill could only speak to Bamber if no shooting had started.

However Nevill's words contradict this - 'Sheila's gone crazy & she's got the gun'.

If 'crazy' didn't mean shooting. What was Sheila doing with the gun ?

"Crazy" could mean anything really. She could have been threatening to shoot someone, or shoot herself, but Nevill didn't take that seriously enough to call the police.

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« Reply #389 on: October 17, 2017, 10:17:PM »
"Crazy" could mean anything really. She could have been threatening to shoot someone, or shoot herself, but Nevill didn't take that seriously enough to call the police.

Ok. So Sheila could have been threatening to shoot other people or herself.

No wonder Nevill phoned Bamber at 3am.
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