mugford rwb and the order of death.

[Adam]

Not at all. It was not until after Jeremy stated that he left the rifle in WHF without a silencer attached. Was the silencer then "discovered". By putting Sheila's blood in the silencer that was kept in a cupboard, it could then be convincingly argued that Sheila could not have shot herself. And Jeremy's recollection then appears untruthful.

Had the conspirators known the following -

1. Nicholas Caffell suffered two contact wounds.
2. Crime scene photos show no debris on the carpet under the cooker.
3. Contact wounds leave abrasion patterns of the muzzle.
4. Neville had three burns on his back caused by the barrel without a silencer.
5. A .22 rifle is least likely to produce backspatter.
6. Backspatter is most commonly caused by gunshot wounds to the head.

They probably wound not have dared try. The only thing they got lucky about was Rivlin QC deciding to follow a defence strategy with the silencer being attached on the gun.

So why would the relatives fabricate a silencer if Bamber had already said Sheila massacred  everyone without a silencer ?

Taff Jones believed Bamber. Not the relatives.

[Steve_uk]

Not at all. It was not until after Jeremy stated that he left the rifle in WHF without a silencer attached. Was the silencer then "discovered". By putting Sheila's blood in the silencer that was kept in a cupboard, it could then be convincingly argued that Sheila could not have shot herself. And Jeremy's recollection then appears untruthful.

Had the conspirators known the following -

1. Nicholas Caffell suffered two contact wounds.
2. Crime scene photos show no debris on the carpet under the cooker.
3. Contact wounds leave abrasion patterns of the muzzle.
4. Neville had three burns on his back caused by the barrel without a silencer.
5. A .22 rifle is least likely to produce backspatter.
6. Backspatter is most commonly caused by gunshot wounds to the head.

They probably wound not have dared try. The only thing they got lucky about was Rivlin QC deciding to follow a defence strategy with the silencer being attached on the gun.

Well aren't your statements 1 and 6 contradictory?

[lookout]

Of what possible interest, to the wider family, would have been the knowledge of the victims blood groups?

I didn't say it would have been of interest,you did,but you can't deny that it would have been a surprise to find someone else connected to the Bambers intimately,to have the same blood group.

[Kaldin]

For those who are convinced that Jeremy is innocent, the silencer is the real sticking point.

For them, there are only three alternatives.

Sheila shot her family, took the moderator off and put it back in the cupboard before she shot herself.

Sheila shot her family, took the moderator off and left it nearby, and nobody noticed it.

The blood was planted on and in the moderator. The problem with that option is that June's DNA was found in it later, and the DNA of a male person. That DNA might not have come from blood, but then how did it get there? Where would anyone get such an amount of blood, and how did they get it into the moderator?

[Adam]

Not at all. It was not until after Jeremy stated that he left the rifle in WHF without a silencer attached. Was the silencer then "discovered". By putting Sheila's blood in the silencer that was kept in a cupboard, it could then be convincingly argued that Sheila could not have shot herself. And Jeremy's recollection then appears untruthful.

Had the conspirators known the following -

1. Nicholas Caffell suffered two contact wounds.
2. Crime scene photos show no debris on the carpet under the cooker.
3. Contact wounds leave abrasion patterns of the muzzle.
4. Neville had three burns on his back caused by the barrel without a silencer.
5. A .22 rifle is least likely to produce backspatter.
6. Backspatter is most commonly caused by gunshot wounds to the head.

They probably wound not have dared try. The only thing they got lucky about was Rivlin QC deciding to follow a defence strategy with the silencer being attached on the gun.

I don't know how Bamber saying Sheila must have used the rifle minus silencer, makes any of the below less risky -


Hoped Sheila received a contact shot.

Hoped the rifle was too long for Sheila with the silencer.

Hoped the rifle nozzle had no blood on.

Hoped they could convincingly put blood into a silencer creating the back splatter effect.

Hoped there were no crime scene photos of the aga.

Hoped the blood they put in would be a match to Sheila's.

Hoped there was no other evidence that showed Sheila was the killer.

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The other 6 points are fine. It had to be Sheila's blood in the silencer.

The most obvious way is through Bamber's contact shot into Sheila with the silencer attached.

Supporters & even one guilter will say the 'treacherous' Stan Jones expertly put Sheila's blood into the silencer. Then persuaded the relatives to create false WS's & commit perjury.

[Steve_uk]

For those who are convinced that Jeremy is innocent, the silencer is the real sticking point.

For them, there are only two alternatives.

Sheila shot her family, took the moderator off and put it back in the cupboard before she shot herself.

Sheila shot her family, took the moderator off and left it nearby, and nobody noticed it.

The blood was planted on and in the moderator. The problem with that option is that June's DNA was found in it later, and the DNA of a male person. That DNA might not have come from blood, but then how did it get there? Where would anyone get such an amount of blood, and how did they get it into the moderator?

Could it have been Nicholas' DNA?

[Kaldin]

Could it have been Nicholas' DNA?

If they were contact shots, I don't see why not.

[Adam]

For those who are convinced that Jeremy is innocent, the silencer is the real sticking point.

For them, there are only two alternatives.

Sheila shot her family, took the moderator off and put it back in the cupboard before she shot herself.

Sheila shot her family, took the moderator off and left it nearby, and nobody noticed it.

The blood was planted on and in the moderator. The problem with that option is that June's DNA was found in it later, and the DNA of a male person. That DNA might not have come from blood, but then how did it get there? Where would anyone get such an amount of blood, and how did they get it into the moderator?

Perhaps an inheritance killer attempted a silent massacre with a silencer attached. Makes sense to me.

Sheila did receive a contact shot.

Law abiding relatives & EP plotting & working against Bamber while he partied. In a massively complicated idea, so they could frame an innocent man. Really.

[Kaldin]

Perhaps an inheritance killer attempted a silent massacre with a silencer attached. Makes sense to me.

Sheila did receive a contact shot.

Law abiding relatives & EP plotting & working against Bamber while he partied. In a massively complicated idea, so they could frame an innocent man. Really.

I meant three alternatives, not two.

[Adam]

I meant three alternatives, not two.

Do you agree that someone attempting a silent massacre would use a silencer ?

[Kaldin]

Do you agree that someone attempting a silent massacre would use a silencer ?

It wasn't actually a silencer, it was a sound moderator, and apparently it didn't make much difference to the noise the gun made.

[Adam]

It wasn't actually a silencer, it was a sound moderator, and apparently it didn't make much difference to the noise the gun made.

Really ?

So that's why it's called a 'sound moderstor' or 'silencer'.

[Steve_uk]

Do we know when the sights were removed exactly?

[Kaldin]

Really ?

So that's why it's called a 'sound moderstor' or 'silencer'.

It's called a sound moderator. Some people say "silencer" because it's easier to type.

[Jane]

It's called a sound moderator. Some people say "silencer" because it's easier to type.

How so?