mugford rwb and the order of death.

[nugnug]

I think I've also always thought that the children were the first victims because it was easier if they were asleep, than if they were awake and looking at you, maybe even talking to you.

That is perhaps giving the killer more sensitivities and feelings than they actually have/had.

if jereremy was the killer I don't see how they could of been he would of had of got past the adults to get to them.

the only way I think they could of died first is if Sheila did it.

[Stephanie]

Excellant post Steph, psychopaths plan a murder they don't do it on spur moment usually.

Like you, I've lived it Justice.

We are probably more expert than the experts 

[guest2181]

if jereremy was the killer I don't see how they could of been he would of had of got past the adults to get to them.

the only way I think they could of died first is if Sheila did it.

That doesn't make sense Nugnug. Everybody was asleep and in bed.

I don't think the children being the first victims, necessarily identifies the likely killer.

[lookout]

You don't necessarily have to be psychopathic to commit murder.

Bronson is an evil individual but he's not a psychopath.

Sweeney is a born psychopath,and will NEVER change.

JB can't be compared to either.

[Jane]

Like you, I've lived it Justice.

We are probably more expert than the experts 

Experts tend to only look at facts, which is fine, but facts are about knowledge. They're not about necessarily about understanding. That takes a deeper degree of knowledge.

[Jane]

You don't necessarily have to be psychopathic to commit murder.

Bronson is an evil individual but he's not a psychopath.

Sweeney is a born psychopath,and will NEVER change.

JB can't be compared to either.

There's no text book -to my knowledge- which says that every psychopath commits murder. In fact, many SAVE lives.

[maggie]

Experts tend to only look at facts, which is fine, but facts are about knowledge. They're not about necessarily about understanding. That takes a deeper degree of knowledge.

Very true however no one knows what others on the forum may have experienced or what knowledge they have unless they choose to share it.

[Adam]

You don't necessarily have to be psychopathic to commit murder.

Bronson is an evil individual but he's not a psychopath.

Sweeney is a born psychopath,and will NEVER change.

JB can't be compared to either.

https://youtu.be/_LNqtwFjFBM

Bamber is an inheritance killer. And can be compared to other inheritance killers.

[nugnug]

That doesn't make sense Nugnug. Everybody was asleep and in bed.

I don't think the children being the first victims, necessarily identifies the likely killer.

Neville clearly wasn't.

and if jb was the killer surely his main priority would be getting they adults out the way first becoiuse there the ones who can stop him the kids cant.

[guest2181]

Neville clearly wasn't.

and if jb was the killer surely his main priority would be getting they adults out the way first becoiuse there the ones who can stop him the kids cant.

I get that you want JB to be innocent.

I just don't agree that the children being killed first sheds any light on who was most likely to be responsible for the murders.

[maggie]

Maggie, there are those who will always lack those qualities necessary for understanding. They may find it scary or the simply may not want to.

I agree Jane and we either learn from our experiences or we close our minds and carry on as before, which achieves nothing.

[nugnug]

I get that you want JB to be innocent.

I just don't agree that the children being killed first sheds any light on who was most likely to be responsible for the murders.

the order of death as I see it is only correct on the assumption Sheila did it.

otherwise its highly improble


but of course it just happens to be the order of death that best suits the inheritance claims of the wife of the main prosecution witness.

why sneak past the adults to kill the kids when he can just kill the adults first.

[lookout]

JB would have had to have entered the house unheard------but for the dog who would have wakened the household prompting Nevill to be at the ready with a rifle ?
When a dog barks in the middle of the night you wouldn't ignore it would you ?

[nugnug]

JB would have had to have entered the house unheard------but for the dog who would have wakened the household prompting Nevill to be at the ready with a rifle ?
When a dog barks in the middle of the night you wouldn't ignore it would you ?

well the simplest answer to that would be to shoot the dog but for some reason that dident happen.

[Jane]

Jane can you help me out 

I think I can, Steph. I hear what Maggie is saying. She simply paraphrased what I said. It's no easy journey -opening our eyes, learning, changing is often a painful process- but once we're on the road, we're beginning to get there. I guess the best we can say, who are on that road, is that we're closer to getting there than we were when we started.