mugford rwb and the order of death.

[buddy]

You've lost me, buddy. Who'd have mentioned what?

Sorry poorly put.
RWB should have mentioned it.

[Jane]

Sorry poorly put.
RWB should have mentioned it.

Certainly, but I'm not entirely convinced that they thought it WAS Jeremy at the start. I think it was when Ann heard him telling the police something she knew to be untrue that their suspicions were aroused.

[guest2181]

Yes, but one of the points that at least one of the relatives made was that Nevill would have not left a rifle on the settle, and that he would have put it away. That's just guesswork on their part, especially as it seems that the guns weren't put away very securely anyway.

Yes, possibly so. I don't think their opinion on the matter really carried any weight though.

[guest7363]

That's not what I said. See my previous post.

The gun was not left on the kitchen table anyway. It can't have been - there were bowls left on the table. The gun was left on or near to the settle in the adjacent room.

In his statement he says he left the rifle in the kitchen near the Wellington boots?

[Kaldin]

In his statement he says he left the rifle in the kitchen near the Wellington boots?

Yes, but I think he meant the "back kitchen" as he called it. He left it leaning against a wall, and left the magazine on the settle.

[guest7363]

Yes, but I think he meant the "back kitchen" as he called it. He left it leaning against a wall, and left the magazine on the settle.

You could be right because later he says he didn't pop his head around?  Confusing.

[buddy]

If JB was the killer then the least threat would have been the twins. The killer would have targeted Neville first, and then June. It was important to the relatives that the twins were first because of the inheritance.

[Stephanie]

If JB was the killer then the least threat would have been the twins. The killer would have targeted Neville first, and then June. It was important to the relatives that the twins were first because of the inheritance.

They were the least threat but needed to be asleep in their beds for Bambers plan to make sense to the police. He had to stick to his story. The story he had planned and run over and over in his mind.

This was a pre meditated murder Buddy, Bamber had been planning it for months

He wanted to get away with the perfect crime

You have to think like the killer that he was Buddy not how you and I would imagine it

[Kaldin]

You could be right because later he says he didn't pop his head around?  Confusing.

This is the area he meant.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37257;image

[guest2181]

This is the area he meant.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=37257;image

It's strange that he'd refer to it as the back kitchen. He seemed to usually call it the Laundry.

[Kaldin]

It's strange that he'd refer to it as the back kitchen. He seemed to usually call it the Laundry.

Yes, he did call it the laundry on his plan. Maybe someone else called it the back kitchen.

[Jane]

They were the least threat but needed to be asleep in their beds for Bambers plan to make sense to the police. He had to stick to his story. The story he had planned and run over and over in his mind.

This was a pre meditated murder Buddy, Bamber had been planning it for months

He wanted to get away with the perfect crime

You have to think like the killer that he was Buddy not how you and I would imagine it

That's an excellent point, Steph. Probably another reason for hanging onto innocent as long as I did. I couldn't see beyond what I'D have done and the concerns about doing it I'd have experienced.

[guest2181]

They were the least threat but needed to be asleep in their beds for Bambers plan to make sense to the police. He had to stick to his story. The story he had planned and run over and over in his mind.

This was a pre meditated murder Buddy, Bamber had been planning it for months

He wanted to get away with the perfect crime

You have to think like the killer that he was Buddy not how you and I would imagine it

I think I've also always thought that the children were the first victims because it was easier if they were asleep, than if they were awake and looking at you, maybe even talking to you.

That is perhaps giving the killer more sensitivities and feelings than they actually have/had.

[Stephanie]

I think I've also always thought that the children were the first victims because it was easier if they were asleep, than if they were awake and looking at you, maybe even talking to you.

That is perhaps giving the killer more sensitivities and feelings than they actually have/had.

I believe Bamber to be without conscience Hartley whether they were awake, looking in his eyes, made no difference to him.

If the sight of a small child sucking it's thumb in their sleep doesn't put you off, nothing will.

The judge described him well "evil beyond belief"

You obviously emote Hartley - Bamber doesn't!


It's hard to explain unless you've experienced pathology first hand.

[guest7363]

They were the least threat but needed to be asleep in their beds for Bambers plan to make sense to the police. He had to stick to his story. The story he had planned and run over and over in his mind.

This was a pre meditated murder Buddy, Bamber had been planning it for months

He wanted to get away with the perfect crime

You have to think like the killer that he was Buddy not how you and I would imagine it

Excellant post Steph, psychopaths plan a murder they don't do it on spur moment usually.