mugford rwb and the order of death.

[Kaldin]

I don't know, but I don't think the gun laws were as strict at the time.

I don't think the number of firearms owned was unusual.

Yes, but one of the points that at least one of the relatives made was that Nevill would have not left a rifle on the settle, and that he would have put it away. That's just guesswork on their part, especially as it seems that the guns weren't put away very securely anyway.

[JackieD]

Thank you Jackie. I do try to check sources before I make a statement, and then try to think what would be logical.

I know you do and I know all the impartial members  think so to

[maggie]

I was just about to point out that I don't think there was the same enforcement on locked gun cupboards as there now is. It was my experience that any guns left laying around were broken first.

  After the Dunblane masacre of children the Firearms Amendment (2) 1997 was introduced.  Before the  amendment there was no legal requirement for owners to lock their guns away.  After the Amendment all owners/holders of guns were required to be issued with a license by law and are required to lock their guns in metal gun cupboards when not in use. 

[Kaldin]

Maybe Nevill was tired. Hadn't been out doing some more work on the farm? Maybe he didn't see the gun, or maybe he thought he'd put it away in the morning.

[Jane]

Maybe Nevill was tired. Hadn't been out doing some more work on the farm? Maybe he didn't see the gun, or maybe he thought he'd put it away in the morning.

Or he was too tired to notice that his son had left a loaded gun on the settle, or the gun wasn't immediately visible, or he saw it and thought, quite reasonably, that Jeremy, who'd been the last to use it, would put it away, then became distracted and didn't check.................all of which is only possible if the gun was left out.

[lookout]

He wasn't too tired to notice that it was " Sheila with one of his guns " when he rang Jeremy?

[Kaldin]

Or he was too tired to notice that his son had left a loaded gun on the settle, or the gun wasn't immediately visible, or he saw it and thought, quite reasonably, that Jeremy, who'd been the last to use it, would put it away, then became distracted and didn't check.................all of which is only possible if the gun was left out.

Yes. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that the gun was left out - contrary to what some of the relatives had said.

[lookout]

Do we know for absolute certainty it was the killer weapon ?

[Stephanie]

Do we know for absolute certainty it was the killer weapon ?

After 33 years...

What does your common sense tell you Lookout

What's your gut feeling?

[Kaldin]

Do we know for absolute certainty it was the killer weapon ?

I think that was established without much doubt lookout. Mr Fletcher went through that in his statements.

[Jane]

Yes. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that the gun was left out - contrary to what some of the relatives had said.

Does one EVER know enough of another person to say, without lying, that they would NEVER do something? The best any of us can say, surely, is "To the best of my knowledge................."

[Stephanie]

He wasn't too tired to notice that it was " Sheila with one of his guns " when he rang Jeremy?

Hold that thought Lookout

[Kaldin]

Does one EVER know enough of another person to say, without lying, that they would NEVER do something? The best any of us can say, surely, is "To the best of my knowledge................."

That's why I take a lot of what the relatives said with a pinch of salt. Once they had decided that Jeremy was guilty, they made a lot of assumptions and made some sweeping statements.

[Stephanie]

He wasn't too tired to notice that it was " Sheila with one of his guns " when he rang Jeremy?

Has the thought ever crossed your mind that the reason he wasn't too tired was because the phone call never happened?


Or are you on a wind up

[Stephanie]

That's why I take a lot of what the relatives said with a pinch of salt. Once they had decided that Jeremy was guilty, they made a lot of assumptions and made some sweeping statements.

Many peoples comments should be taken with a pinch of salt Kaldin as many people make assumptions and sweeping statements, whether knowingly or knowingly