Bullets fired and reloading

[lookout]

The only marks on her hand that look like scratches are the ones below. June does not appear to have long nails, so if they are nail marks they are self inflicted.

Nails only have to be a fraction above the finger to create marks such as those. The nails don't necessarily have to be like talons,as the shorter they are,the stronger and can dig into the flesh as pictured. They weren't self-inflicted.

[maggie]

I am guessing you don't believe the nail mark breaking news? Because I seem to remember you also don't believe any call from Neville so are willing to seperate from supporter group think.

I am not part of a 'supporter group', I am on the fence.  I was very much leaning to guilty until I saw Sheila's wounds and now am pretty much 50/50. 
If Sheila has defense wounds that does not on its own prove JB innocent but does strongly suggest Sheila was at least involved.
I am sceptical that Vanezis consciously hid the fact that Sheila and apparently June had defense wounds but rather mentioned them on Nevill's body but omitted to mention them on Sheila and June.  As far as he was concerned it was a murder/suicide, an open and shut case... who knows. Professionals are not always perfectionists in their work. Anyway, I can't answer why this happened but I can say I support Roch on the fact the gouges and cuts are there.

[Adam]

I am not part of a 'supporter group', I am on the fence.  I was very much leaning to guilty until I saw Sheila's wounds and now am pretty much 50/50. 
If Sheila has defense wounds that does not on its own prove JB innocent but does strongly suggest Sheila was at least involved.
I am sceptical that Vanezis consciously hid the fact that Sheila and apparently June had defense wounds but rather mentioned them on Nevill's body but omitted to mention them on Sheila and June.  As far as he was concerned it was a murder/suicide, an open and shut case... who knows. Professionals are not always perfectionists in their work. Anyway, I can't answer why this happened but I can say I support Roch on the fact the gouges and cuts are there.

Sorry, I would rather go by the pathologist report. Who examined the bodies at the time & did not mention any wounds on Sheila.

Rather than Roch saying 32 years later Sheila has cuts & scratches. Which even other supporters don't agree with.

[lookout]

Sorry, I would rather go by the pathologist report. Who examined the bodies at the time & did not mention any wounds on Sheila.

Rather than Roch saying 32 years later Sheila has cuts & scratches. Which even other supporters don't agree with.

Who said supporters didn't agree with Roch ? NOBODY could have come out of it unscathed !

[Adam]

They don't exist either.

[Caroline]

I am not part of a 'supporter group', I am on the fence.  I was very much leaning to guilty until I saw Sheila's wounds and now am pretty much 50/50. 
If Sheila has defense wounds that does not on its own prove JB innocent but does strongly suggest Sheila was at least involved.
I am sceptical that Vanezis consciously hid the fact that Sheila and apparently June had defense wounds but rather mentioned them on Nevill's body but omitted to mention them on Sheila and June.  As far as he was concerned it was a murder/suicide, an open and shut case... who knows. Professionals are not always perfectionists in their work. Anyway, I can't answer why this happened but I can say I support Roch on the fact the gouges and cuts are there.

As the assalient, it was important to get the facts of her autopsy correct and as a professional with no reason to lie (as he wasn't part of EP anyway).

[maggie]

As the assalient, it was important to get the facts of her autopsy correct and as a professional with no reason to lie (as he wasn't part of EP anyway).

I am not saying he lied Caroline and neither am I unaware that it was important he got the fact right.
His position speaks for itself and of course we would expect the utmost professionalism from him.  We the Public rightly expect the utmost professionalism from the establishment but many of us know to our cost that this is not always the case. 
My point is that he MAY have not recorded the wounds for a completely innocent reason,rather than a premeditated reason.  I do not believe he would have hidden them on urpose as it is difficult/impossible to suggest any reason he would have for doing so.

[Jon2]

As the assalient, it was important to get the facts of her autopsy correct and as a professional with no reason to lie (as he wasn't part of EP anyway).

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19355106

[Adam]

I am not saying he lied Caroline and neither am I unaware that it was important he got the fact right.
His position speaks for itself and of course we would expect the utmost professionalism from him.  We the Public rightly expect the utmost professionalism from the establishment but many of us know to our cost that this is not always the case. 
My point is that he MAY have not recorded the wounds for a completely innocent reason, I do not believe he would have hidden them as it is difficult/impossible to suggest any reason he would have for doing so.

So he saw the wounds. But didn't record them. However recorded all of Nevill's wounds.

It's a pity he didn't record Sheila's wounds. It would have supported her having a kitchen fight with Nevill.

It's lucky Roch has spotted them 32 years later & I assume passed them onto Bamber's legal advisors.

[maggie]

So he saw the wounds. But didn't record them. However recorded all of Nevill's wounds.

It's a pity he didn't record Sheila's wounds. It would have supported her having a kitchen fight with Nevill.

It's lucky Roch has spotted them 32 years later & I assume passed them onto Bamber's legal advisors.

I agree it is 'a pity he didn't record Sheila's wounds.'

[Adam]

I agree it is 'a pity he didn't record Sheila's wounds.'

And bad luck for Jeremy.

[maggie]

And bad luck for Jeremy.

Absolutely.

[Caroline]

I am not saying he lied Caroline and neither am I unaware that it was important he got the fact right.
His position speaks for itself and of course we would expect the utmost professionalism from him.  We the Public rightly expect the utmost professionalism from the establishment but many of us know to our cost that this is not always the case. 
My point is that he MAY have not recorded the wounds for a completely innocent reason,rather than a premeditated reason.  I do not believe he would have hidden them on urpose as it is difficult/impossible to suggest any reason he would have for doing so.

He mentioned old scars and the wound with the paster Maggie - there is no reason for him not to mention such cuts and every reason why he would as they would perhaps add support to her using the rifle.

[maggie]

He mentioned old scars and the wound with the paster Maggie - there is no reason for him not to mention such cuts and every reason why he would as they would perhaps add support to her using the rifle.

I know he did Caroline, I have no idea why what happened did happen and I understand your reasoning.  That is why I have said before that I have no idea what happened.

[David1819]

He mentioned old scars and the wound with the paster Maggie - there is no reason for him not to mention such cuts and every reason why he would as they would perhaps add support to her using the rifle.

Concealing proof of tentacle man?