Why wasn't crispy shot?

[susan]

Sixth line from the top.

Hartley thank you for that I really appreciate your help you are a true Gent

[guest2181]

Hartley thank you for that I really appreciate your help you are a true Gent

 

[susan]

Why can't you bring it to the forum ? Do you not know how to post sources ?

Adam you know I cannot bring things to the forum and you are forever telling me about my failings but Hartley has kindly done it so you can read what Peter Vanezis had to say and think about it.

[Adam]

Adam you know I cannot bring things to the forum and you are forever telling me about my failings but Hartley has kindly done it so you can read what Peter Vanezis had to say and think about it.

Why can't you bring things to the forum.

I couldn't read any of that. So will stick to the COA report.

[susan]

Why can't you bring things to the forum.

I couldn't read any of that. So will stick to the COA report.

Adam that is OK by me honestly

[Adam]

154.

In dealing with the second question, whether Sheila Caffell may have killed the others and then committed suicide, the judge made clear that answering this question involved a number of different considerations.

He made clear that there were other considerations and the jury could come to the conclusion that Sheila Caffell did not carry out the killings "even without reference to the sound moderator".

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Obviously the judge is rightly dismissing the claim often made that the silencer is the only piece of evidence that convicted Bamber.

Sheila being shot just after getting out of bed which I have posted today being just as strong.

[David1819]

Why can't you bring things to the forum.

I couldn't read any of that. So will stick to the COA report.

Wristwatch left wrist.  turquoise nightdress
well nourished. Blood stained palm print on nightdress
matches bloodstains appeared to have transferred from
right hand.
Bloodstains right side of nightdress
yellow metal ring on ring finger right hand
nicotine stains right hand. both hands not contaminated
apart from bloodstains

[Adam]

The judge also said this. From the COA -


369. In addition, there was a body of evidence from non-expert witnesses who had spoken to or been in contact with Sheila Caffell in the days immediately preceding these killings.

The trial judge devoted some eight pages of his summing up to all this evidence, and summarised its effect in the following way:

"Most of them saw signs of Sheila's illness which agreed entirely with Dr Ferguson's evidence about it. None of them, at any stage, knew of any physical violence by Sheila, although on occasions when she was acutely ill - as when Freddie saw her just before she went into hospital in March - they were frightened that she might become violent.

All of them agree that she was loving - very loving - and caring for her twin sons.

There was evidence that she sometimes had a difficult relationship with her mother.

Everyone seems to agree that she was very attached to her father, and that he was the person who had a remarkably calming effect upon her. Dr Ferguson said that in his view she treated him as her mentor - a source of help and someone who could calm her when she was in trouble.

There is no evidence from anyone of her ever expressing any violence towards her parents."

[David1819]

The judge also said this. From the COA -


369. In addition, there was a body of evidence from non-expert witnesses who had spoken to or been in contact with Sheila Caffell in the days immediately preceding these killings.

The trial judge devoted some eight pages of his summing up to all this evidence, and summarised its effect in the following way:

"Most of them saw signs of Sheila's illness which agreed entirely with Dr Ferguson's evidence about it. None of them, at any stage, knew of any physical violence by Sheila, although on occasions when she was acutely ill - as when Freddie saw her just before she went into hospital in March - they were frightened that she might become violent.

All of them agree that she was loving - very loving - and caring for her twin sons.

There was evidence that she sometimes had a difficult relationship with her mother.

Everyone seems to agree that she was very attached to her father, and that he was the person who had a remarkably calming effect upon her.
Dr Ferguson said that in his view she treated him as her mentor - a source of help and someone who could calm her when she was in trouble.

There is no evidence from anyone of her ever expressing any violence towards her parents."

Adam we have all read the 2002 COA judgment. myself multiple times. There is no need for you to copy and paste it over and over again

[Kaldin]

Wristwatch left wrist.  turquoise nightdress
well nourished. Blood stained palm print on nightdress
matches bloodstains appeared to have transferred from
right hand.
Bloodstains right side of nightdress
yellow metal ring on ring finger right hand
nicotine stains right hand. both hands not contaminated
apart from bloodstains

It's interesting that he says "right hand" rather than right wrist - he said it was from her wrist in his statement.

[Adam]

Adam we have all read the 2002 COA judgment. myself multiple times. There is no need for you to copy and paste it over and over again

I doubt that anyone else has read that.

It is again very incriminating evidence against Bamber.

[Kaldin]

Adam we have all read the 2002 COA judgment. myself multiple times. There is no need for you to copy and paste it over and over again

I agree.

Adam, the appeal document is really useful, particularly with regard to certain facts, but the decision of the judges was made on their opinion. Others might have a different opinion.

[David1819]

I doubt that anyone else has read that.

It is again very incriminating evidence against Bamber.

Judges clutching at straws and in some cases not even getting their facts right.

[Kaldin]

Judges clutching at straws and in some cases not even getting their facts right.

Like the cartridge case on the stairs leading from the kitchen.

[David1819]

Like the cartridge case on the stairs leading from the kitchen.

That's just the tip of the iceberg. I might get the 2002 COA judgement printed on a roll of toilet paper.