Why wasn't crispy shot?

[maggie]

You are cherry picking

Sheila had gone to bed early after a long day

The evidence suggests Jeremy Bamber tortured his father whilst he was dying, and inso doing showed his cotempt towards NB

How do you know Sheila had gone to bed early?  Surely that is an assumption and no more than your opinion?  According to Pamela, who as far as we know, was the last person to speak to June and Sheila, she was very tired and was going to bed.
We don't know if she ever actually got into bed or slept.

[Adam]

How do you know Sheila had gone to bed early?  Surely that is an assumption and no more than your opinion?  According to Pamela, who as far as we know, was the last person to speak to June and Sheila, she was very tired and was going to bed.
We don't know if she ever actually got into bed or slept.

She was found bare footed in her nightdress. In other words the clothes she would have gone to bed in.

By 10pm she had been up all day, as stated by Bamber & other people who saw her. Bamber saying she was unresponsive at supper even on an emotive subject. So tired.

It is common practice for people to go to bed around 10pm. Unless night clubbing or doing shift work.

June told PB Sheila was going to bed at 10pm. PB again said Sheila was unresponsive on the phone, again showing Sheila was tired.

There is no evidence on her or her nightdress she had fired 25 shots, been in a big fight & been up all night moving around a big house.

Sheila was on Haloperidol & under sedation. So would be tired.

Everyone else in WHF had gone to bed. Either being shot in bed or Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas.

There is no evidence to suggest Sheila had stayed awake between 10pm - 3.48am. It is likely she was out of bed for less than 2 minutes before Bamber shot her.

[maggie]

She was found bare footed in her nightdress. In other words the clothes she would have gone to bed in.

By 10pm she had been up all day, as stated by Bamber & other people who saw her. Bamber saying she was unresponsive at supper even on an emotive subject. So tired.

It is common practice for people to go to bed around 10pm. Unless night clubbing or doing shift work.

June told PB Sheila was going to bed at 10pm. PB again said Sheila was unresponsive on the phone, again showing Sheila was tired.

There is no evidence on her or her nightdress she had fired 25 shots, been in a big fight & been up all night moving around a big house.

Sheila was on Haloperidol & under sedation. So would be tired.

Everyone else in WHF had gone to bed. Either being shot in bed or Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas.

There is no evidence to suggest Sheila had stayed awake between 10pm - 3.48am. It is likely she was out of bed for less than 2 minutes before Bamber shot her.

As I said we do not know if she went to bed and stayed asleep until woken by JB which seems to be your theory or if something completely different happened. No Adam I cannot tell you what happened because I wasn't there.

[Stephanie]

As I said we do not know if she went to bed and stayed asleep until woken by JB which seems to be your theory or if something completely different happened. No Adam I cannot tell you what happened because I wasn't there.

Are you suggesting because you weren't there, all murder cases built on circumstantial evidence should not be advanced to trial 

The point you've made it that you are nit picking on cherry picked pieces of the evidence

I see a circular conversation on the horizon

[Adam]

As I said we do not know if she went to bed and stayed asleep until woken by JB which seems to be your theory or if something completely different happened. No Adam I cannot tell you what happened because I wasn't there.

You said - 'We don't know if she ever actually got into bed or slept.'

Obviously the evidence pre rifle shots & no evidence on a dead Sheila, shows she was asleep until 2 minutes before receiving her first rifle shot.

[maggie]

Are you suggesting because you weren't there, all murder cases built on circumstantial evidence should not be advanced to trial 

No of course not, I was pointing out that you stated that 'Sheila went to bed'. I was simply pointing out that no one actually knows what Sheila did that night. Maybe I am being picky in your eyes but if we all simply accept the verdict without any question this forum would not exist.  There is no evidence that Sheila went to bed however I accept that does not prove she was guilty of murder.

[Adam]

Everyone went to bed & to sleep that night. As is normal -

June shot while asleep.

Daniel shot while asleep.

Nicholas shot while asleep.

Sheila shot bare footed & in her nightie.

Nevill shot bare footed in pyjamas.

[Caroline]

Whether it was possible or not is not relevant. The fact is that June was under the impression it could happen as she told Dorothy Bencher. It's in the last paragraph of her statement.
Neville wouldn't have been able to put up a fight.
Sheila had to shoot herself twice.

The conversation with Dorothy Bencher doesn't support Bamber's implied suggestion that they were talking about having the twins fostered out. People keep missing out the point that she emphasised that June was 'obviously AGAINST this idea'.

[Stephanie]

Everyone went to bed & to sleep that night. As is normal -

June shot while asleep.

Daniel shot while asleep.

Nicholas shot while asleep.

Sheila shot bare footed & in her nightie.

Nevill shot bare footed in pyjamas.

Agreed Adam

[Stephanie]

No of course not, I was pointing out that you stated that 'Sheila went to bed'. I was simply pointing out that no one actually knows what Sheila did that night. Maybe I am being picky in your eyes but if we all simply accept the verdict without any question this forum would not exist.  There is no evidence that Sheila went to bed however I accept that does not prove she was guilty of murder.

Do you know why people nit pick and what is behind the reason for doing so

[lookout]

Sheila was not sedated and because the halved dose of haldol was diminishing it would have left her agitated and hyper,so not in any mood for sleeping.
It's as bad giving a reduced dose of medication as it is to overdose as both have the same or similar effect as having none at all,especially with anti-psychotic medication.

[Caroline]

Sheila was not sedated and because the halved dose of haldol was diminishing it would have left her agitated and hyper,so not in any mood for sleeping.
It's as bad giving a reduced dose of medication as it is to overdose as both have the same or similar effect as having none at all,especially with anti-psychotic medication.

She was taking sedative medication Lookout, she had a moderate (not low) dosage still in her system and was due another injection.

Your last comment simply isn't true, people have their medication altered all of the time until they find the right dose for treatment. You should know that happens!

[Adam]

Sheila was not sedated and because the halved dose of haldol was diminishing it would have left her agitated and hyper,so not in any mood for sleeping.
It's as bad giving a reduced dose of medication as it is to overdose as both have the same or similar effect as having none at all,especially with anti-psychotic medication.

The COA says she was under sedation.

[Kaldin]

There's no evidence that Sheila went to bed early, or that she slept. She was not sedated by any extra drugs.

[Adam]

She was found bare footed in her nightdress. In other words the clothes she would have gone to bed in.

By 10pm she had been up all day, as stated by Bamber & other people who saw her. Bamber saying she was unresponsive at supper even on an emotive subject. So tired.

It is common practice for people to go to bed around 10pm. Unless night clubbing or doing shift work.

June told PB Sheila was going to bed at 10pm. PB again said Sheila was unresponsive on the phone, again showing Sheila was tired.

There is no evidence on her or her nightdress she had fired 25 shots, been in a big fight & been up all night moving around a big house.

Sheila was on Haloperidol & under sedation. So would be tired.

Everyone else in WHF had gone to bed. Either being shot in bed or Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas.

There is no evidence to suggest Sheila had stayed awake between 10pm - 3.48am. It is likely she was out of bed for less than 2 minutes before Bamber shot her.