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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2011, 12:33:AM »
Shona you lot have just made me fall about laughing I feel quite normal now ive never tried any drugs or been depressed xxx

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« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2011, 12:37:AM »
Hoorah!! Hallo, lovely Jack!! What do you think of my third party theory?

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« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2011, 12:50:AM »
Shona
The only third party theory I have in mind is Peter Eaton because of the money trouble the family was in and we are talking about 2 or 3 million pounds they inherited because of Jeremy conviction.

Shona did you see who the character witnesses were for and against Jeremy because the once against Jeremy were not really impartial and as for JB s and Sheilas relationship her friend Freddie testified for Jeremy

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« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2011, 12:53:AM »
Shona I meant to say what did you think of Abs posts about the drugs Sheila was on because I know one of the biggest things you have that JB is guilty you dont believe Sheila would kill the children

I only know about mothers who kill there children (diminished responsibility) because there seems to be so much about it in the press recently

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« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2011, 12:59:AM »
I don't think that Freddie would be a credible witness, Jack. It's easy to be wise after the event. Where is he now? Why doesn't he come forward? He must still be out there, somewhere. If someone was seen, running away from the farm on the night, as has been stated tonight, then I rest my case. Someone was paid to decimate the family. And, sorry, Jack, but JM was right all along.

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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2011, 01:01:AM »
My question about Sheila's medication is could it have slowed down her digestion?

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« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2011, 01:22:AM »
Shona you didnt reply on the point about Sheila you steadfastly believed Sheila wouldnt kill her children what do you think now?

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« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2011, 01:28:AM »
Shona I am off to bed now but the other thing you mentioned Freddy I dont even know if they need him back as he has already given evidence in Jeremys defence and you didnt mention the housekeeper of over 20 years and other reliable witnesses.  I have tried and found not a single piece of evidence to show Jeremy either disliked or hated his parents.  Which people do you believe who gave evidence at JB s trial?

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« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2011, 07:07:AM »
Schizophrenics are far more likely to kill members of their family than normal  non schizophrenic people ...being female and a mother of some of the victims has no real bearing on the likelyhood of Sheila killing them.
Blind belief in  mothers not being able to kill their own children is naive and of no use to any discussion.

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« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2011, 08:37:AM »
I don't think that Freddie would be a credible witness, Jack. It's easy to be wise after the event. Where is he now? Why doesn't he come forward? He must still be out there, somewhere. If someone was seen, running away from the farm on the night, as has been stated tonight, then I rest my case. Someone was paid to decimate the family. And, sorry, Jack, but JM was right all along.

There is the same amount of credible evidence pointing towards a hitman as there is pointing to Jeremy... ie. None

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Re: Homicide and Suicide Associtaed With HALOPERIDOL
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2011, 10:31:AM »
I've just seen a disturbing incident on Fake Britain by Dominic Littlewood. Apparently this girl bought some weight loss pills on the internet. Unknown to her they contained a Chinese  herb (the name of which escapes me I'm afraid) which has been banned in many European countries including england. This drug caused mental disturbances in this girl and she became irritable and short tempered. Also paranoid and thought people were spying on her. She ended up in a mental hospital because in her words she completely lost it.

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« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2011, 03:20:PM »
And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.

http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol

"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior.  The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."

Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.

Shocking, chocho, really shocking! Poor girl!!
The internet is full of forums where people are sharing their experiences about those drugs (especially Haldol). Most who have tried it HATE it. Some say that it changed them to the worse permanently.

And as we can see from one of the articles, a doctor estimates (not scientific) hat 90% of women who kill their children ARE ONE THOSE MIND ALTERING DRUGS!

Perhaps Jeremy's defence team should get some advice on the possible effects of the reduction of Sheila's medication, if they have't already done so.

Maybe they should. I don´t know if this has been looked into at all. It doesn´t prove anything per se, but I have to say that when I googled the drug Sheila was on and the first thing I see is: "Homicide and Suicide Associtaed With HALOPERIDOL", I was startled. And even more so when I found that Andrea Yates, who killed her five children, was on withdrawal from Haloperidol at the time she did it, I was even more startled!
Hadn´t Sheila´s dosage been reduced quite a bit prior to the murders? I don´t know the details about that, but from the articles I have read on this subject, I can see that it is not only under withdrawal from the drug that people become suicidal and/or violent, so it is a highly dangerous drug in any case.
Here we have a case of five people dead and a person in the house on this dangerous drug, which is proven to have those effects. It does sound some alarms, doesn´t it?!
How can you communicate this to Jeremy Bamber´s legal team?

Haloperidol Withdrawal
Haloperidol is also known as Haldol and can cause one of the worst withdrawal processes known to man. Haloperidol is a prescription medication approved to treat psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, Tourettes syndrome, and behavior disorders. As with most medications for mental illness, stopping haloperidol “cold turkey” is not recommended.

The best approach to withdrawing from haloperidol is to wean yourself gradually from the drug. Haloperidol withdrawal is brutal and can make you feel like a prisoner in your own mind and body. On the surface, the notion of prescribing someone an anti-psychotic medication like haloperidol, is supposed to make people calm and quiet. But the reality is that you can become horrifically violent.  Withdrawal effects from haloperidol are severe and it takes intense medical supervision to ensure the person safely detoxifies. Whatever the motivation, you have a right to free yourself from using haloperidol. If you want to safely withdraw from haloperidol, it is helpful to have the support of a sympathetic doctor. The best way to safely withdraw from haloperidol is to have the active involvement of a doctor or prescription medication withdrawal specialist who can guide and monitor your progress.

Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior.  The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol.  Haloperidol withdrawal symptoms also include breathing problems, tightening of the muscles, dry mouth, loss of control of your tongue, blurry vision, and pacing back and forth. A treatment center or hospital is the right setting for withdrawing from haloperidol.

The best way to prevent haloperidol withdrawals is to reduce the dosage gradually. The first week, you reduce your dosage by ten percent. Try that for the first week, and then see how you are doing. If you feel OK, reduce the dosage by another 10 percent. Try that for a week, and see if you feel OK. If you reach a point where you don't feel OK, don't reduce your dosage by another 10 percent; stay at the same reduced level for another week or until you do feel fine. Then reduce by another 10 percent and continue with the process. Remember, psychiatric drugs like haloperidol should never be stopped abruptly! The more slowly you can withdraw, the less severe effects you will suffer; don't try to stop taking haloperidol without support.

http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol
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« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2011, 03:26:PM »
And a little more on Andrea Yates. She was actually in withdrawal process from Haloperidol when she committed the murders of her children.

http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol

"Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior.  The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol."

Another excellent find, abs. I'm somehow not surprised about the effect of these drugs, I recall a friend of mine visiting me when she was on just antidepressants and the dreadful state she was in. My friend's husband had to bring her as she was incapable of making her own way anywhere. I've known her all of my life yet I hardly recognised her. She spoke as a child does, not just In the content of her speech but the sound of her voice. My friend wanted to go for a walk in the snow and when we did so, took off her shoes and socks and walked along in her bare feet, she simply did not register the cold. Isn't it lovely, she said to me, as her feet turned blue with cold.

Shocking, chocho, really shocking! Poor girl!!
The internet is full of forums where people are sharing their experiences about those drugs (especially Haldol). Most who have tried it HATE it. Some say that it changed them to the worse permanently.

And as we can see from one of the articles, a doctor estimates (not scientific) hat 90% of women who kill their children ARE ONE THOSE MIND ALTERING DRUGS!

Perhaps Jeremy's defence team should get some advice on the possible effects of the reduction of Sheila's medication, if they have't already done so.

Maybe they should. I don´t know if this has been looked into at all. It doesn´t prove anything per se, but I have to say that when I googled the drug Sheila was on and the first thing I see is: "Homicide and Suicide Associtaed With HALOPERIDOL", I was startled. And even more so when I found that Andrea Yates, who killed her five children, was on withdrawal from Haloperidol at the time she did it, I was even more startled!
Hadn´t Sheila´s dosage been reduced quite a bit prior to the murders? I don´t know the details about that, but from the articles I have read on this subject, I can see that it is not only under withdrawal from the drug that people become suicidal and/or violent, so it is a highly dangerous drug in any case.
Here we have a case of five people dead and a person in the house on this dangerous drug, which is proven to have those effects. It does sound some alarms, doesn´t it?!
How can you communicate this to Jeremy Bamber´s legal team?

Haloperidol Withdrawal
Haloperidol is also known as Haldol and can cause one of the worst withdrawal processes known to man. Haloperidol is a prescription medication approved to treat psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, Tourettes syndrome, and behavior disorders. As with most medications for mental illness, stopping haloperidol “cold turkey” is not recommended.

The best approach to withdrawing from haloperidol is to wean yourself gradually from the drug. Haloperidol withdrawal is brutal and can make you feel like a prisoner in your own mind and body. On the surface, the notion of prescribing someone an anti-psychotic medication like haloperidol, is supposed to make people calm and quiet. But the reality is that you can become horrifically violent.  Withdrawal effects from haloperidol are severe and it takes intense medical supervision to ensure the person safely detoxifies. Whatever the motivation, you have a right to free yourself from using haloperidol. If you want to safely withdraw from haloperidol, it is helpful to have the support of a sympathetic doctor. The best way to safely withdraw from haloperidol is to have the active involvement of a doctor or prescription medication withdrawal specialist who can guide and monitor your progress.

Andrea Yates, a woman who lived in Texas with her five children was withdrawing from haloperidol when she drowned all five of her children. This is a very good example of why anyone going through haloperidol withdrawal should be closely monitored and under a doctor’s care. The withdrawal symptoms of a cold-turkey, too-rapid approach from haloperidol include nausea, anxiety, insomnia, restlessness, muscular reactions, and strange behavior.  The reaction to sudden haloperidol withdrawal can be life-threatening. People can become suicidal or extremely violent like Andrea Yates demonstrated to be true that day when she killed her five children in cold blood while she was withdrawing from haloperidol.  Haloperidol withdrawal symptoms also include breathing problems, tightening of the muscles, dry mouth, loss of control of your tongue, blurry vision, and pacing back and forth. A treatment center or hospital is the right setting for withdrawing from haloperidol.

The best way to prevent haloperidol withdrawals is to reduce the dosage gradually. The first week, you reduce your dosage by ten percent. Try that for the first week, and then see how you are doing. If you feel OK, reduce the dosage by another 10 percent. Try that for a week, and see if you feel OK. If you reach a point where you don't feel OK, don't reduce your dosage by another 10 percent; stay at the same reduced level for another week or until you do feel fine. Then reduce by another 10 percent and continue with the process. Remember, psychiatric drugs like haloperidol should never be stopped abruptly! The more slowly you can withdraw, the less severe effects you will suffer; don't try to stop taking haloperidol without support.

http://www.alt2meds.com/medication-withdrawal/haloperidol

This is staggering, to me anyway.  It's really added to the forum abs.  Thank you for educating me.
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« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2011, 05:28:PM »
Thanks Rochford Shields!

I have a question about Sheila: did she smoke cigarettes? I know she smoked cannabis, but I don´t know how often.

I found this on Haloperidol and smoking:

"Cigarette smoke contains over 3000 different chemicals. Some of these chemicals can make some of the enzymes in the liver work faster (called "enzyme induction" of e.g. CYP1A2 or P4501A2). This means that any medicine those enzymes break down will be broken down quicker. So, you'll end up with less of that medicine if you smoke. And also you will have more of it in the body if you stop smoking.

Haloperidol or benperidol are those medicines. The amount of haloperidol in the body can drop by up to a quarter (25%) if you smoke, giving less effect or meaning you might need a higher dose to get the same effect. It also means that if you stop smoking, the levels will rise so you might get more side effects. "

And about cannabis:

"Cannabis (illegal in most countries):

Smoking cannabis increases the amount to dopamine in the pleasure centres of the brain, which is where the reward or buzz comes from. However, psychosis also comes from having too much dopamine, in another area of the brain. You have to remember that smoking cannabis can also increase dopamine in other areas of the brain, so can make psychosis worse. Please be careful, everything in moderation and if dope makes you worse, keep off the grass. It really won't help you in the long-term. Don't forget that if you're a toker, you're also a smoker, so see the question above. However, there are no extra problems with smoking cannabis, other than the smoking itself (see above). But, it might make you feel a bit more drowsy and may have more dry mouth, blurred vision and finding it hard to pass water (wee). Also, don't forget that cannabis can make psychotic symptoms worse."

So if Sheila smoked, it would decrease the amount of Haloperidol in her system and thus make her withdrawal symptoms even graver.

http://www.choiceandmedication.org/norfolk-and-waveney/medications/56/




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« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2011, 08:01:PM »
Well, this is all basically covered at the jeremybamber.org campaign site. They just don't have the interesting little detail that Andrea Yates was on the same medication (in withdrawal) - and that 90% of all mothers who kill their children are on mind altering drugs.

http://jeremybamber.org/SchizophreniaandCannabis.aspx

They put an emphasis on the Schizophrenia and Cannabis - I think the withdrawal from Haldol quite abruptly is equally or more significant. Sheila's dosage was halved just like that (Andrea Yates´ was cut off, cold turkey-style), which is EXTREMELY dangerous. The dosage should be reduced very gradually and under strict supervision from a doctor, preferably in a hospital setting.