Sherlock has solved the case at last ...

[David1819]

This is another popular misconception. Sheila was reticent on this matter to her Maida Vale set, to Colin, Nevill, and Jeremy. It might be instructive to look at the graffiti left on the wardrobe in her former bedroom: "I hate this place": note the message is not "I hate June" or "I hate my mother." We will never know her true thoughts on the matter, but I think she felt restricted by her, she could never truly reveal her true feelings towards her, but at the end of her life she did say to friends that she was grateful for what she had done for her as regards buying her the flat, and there seemed to me to be some kind of rapprochement.

Of course this is the last thing Jeremy wanted, his sole intention being to sow discord amongst the family in a vain attempt to divide and rule. He also thought that any intimacy between mother and daughter might lead to further expenditure on her, as it did with the planned allowance, and also possible school fees for the twins.

Its in Freddies statement that Sheila had a deep dislike for June.

[Steve_uk]

Its in Freddies statement that Sheila had a deep dislike for June.

Exam question:

"In the final analysis Farhad Emani inflicted more damage on Sheila than June. Discuss."

[Caroline]

Exam question:

"In the final analysis Farhad Emani inflicted more damage on Sheila than June. Discuss."

Well said Steve!

[Jane]

Exam question:

"In the final analysis Farhad Emani inflicted more damage on Sheila than June. Discuss."

It would be interesting to know what was his agenda. I'm inclined to feel the level of damage inflicted was similar but polarized. Between the two of them, Sheila's mental confusion is hardly surprising.............neither is her belief that Freddie was the devil.

Did Sheila feel she'd escaped from being pulled in one direction by one powerful force in her life, only to find herself pulled in quite an opposite direction by an equally powerful force? What exactly was Freddie's place in her life? Was he exempted from prosecution for any reason, and why? Because he wasn't a British national? It appears that he may have been known to the Bambers, but how? Was he her lover, friend, confidente, drug dealer? Why was he so concerned? Did he feel responsible for her? Hardly a trait found in most drug dealers. Without knowing his place in her life, it's not possible to know what was his influence on her. 

[Kaldin]

Why would Freddie have been prosecuted? I thought he was just her friend or boyfriend.

[lookout]

Its in Freddies statement that Sheila had a deep dislike for June.

The twins were terrified of him ? Personally I thought he was a horrible character. Children aren't stupid and are very good at picking up vibes of certain people. A child can sense whether a person is " child-friendly " or not.

[Jane]

The twins were terrified of him ? Personally I thought he was a horrible character. Children aren't stupid and are very good at picking up vibes of certain people. A child can sense whether a person is " child-friendly " or not.

Were they? Who said so? They couldn't have been in his company too often as they didn't live with Sheila permanently.

[lookout]

Were they? Who said so? They couldn't have been in his company too often as they didn't live with Sheila permanently.

Colin's book I think.

[Caroline]

Colin's book I think.

Don't remember that.

[Stephanie]

Did anyone watch that series murderers and their mothers?

"Everyone is someone's child, even a serial killer. This series looks at the complex stories of serial killers' family relationships and on a case by case basis looks into the vital role played by their mothers. Do they in fact turn them into psychopathic murderers? In this unnerving and shocking series each episode explores a different killer's disturbing childhood, their unnatural maternal relationship and the devastating impact of 'Mother'.

Presented by Donal MacIntyre, crime journalist and Professor of Criminology in conversation with Dr. Elizabeth Yardley, Director of the Centre for Applied Criminology at Birmingham City University, MacIntyre and Yardley will piece together the biographical, psychological and criminal evidence to build a careful but frightening picture of the killers. 'Murderers and their Mothers' will reveal startling new evidence and opinion about the relationships of each killer and their mother from around the world. This is a rarefied field of criminology and psychology and each unique programme will bring new theories and insights to the table.

During Bambers police interview he's asked about his relationship with his mother:

Police - What was your relationship like with your mother?

JB - Rough and smooth

Police: Did you antagonise your mother by speaking to her about religion?

JB: it's not really fair the way you angle your question. Around 18 months ago we would have had heated arguments which was through a lack of understanding or each other's views and due in part to mothers strong character and my immurturity




I found this telling; especially given the way in which he blogs about her now. Clearly a load of made up bs!

[Steve_uk]

During Bambers police interview he's asked about his relationship with his mother:

Police - What was your relationship like with your mother?

JB - Rough and smooth

Police: Did you antagonise your mother by speaking to her about religion?

JB: it's not really fair the way you angle your question. Around 18 months ago we would have had heated arguments which was through a lack of understanding or each other's views and due in part to mothers strong character and my immurturity




I found this telling; especially given the way in which he blogs about her now. Clearly a load of made up bs!

We never get told what the heated arguments were. Even in Roger Wilkes book the furthest he goes is that he got on with her until he was 18, so 1979. Of course we can hazard a guess from the books that the rows were over money, and June's final refusal not to write out personal cheques in his favour, which led to her death warrant.

[sherlock]

We never get told what the heated arguments were. Even in Roger Wilkes book the furthest he goes is that he got on with her until he was 18, so 1979. Of course we can hazard a guess from the books that the rows were over money, and June's final refusal not to write out personal cheques in his favour, which led to her death warrant.

Or it could have been due to Jeremys immaturity and his mothers strong personality with a lack of understanding on each others part - why not ?

[Steve_uk]

Or it could have been due to Jeremys immaturity and his mothers strong personality with a lack of understanding on each others part - why not ?

Why didn't he talk about Suzette? Why not discuss his relationship with Julie? Why not rebuff Brett Collins' assertion that he hated June, as corroborated by Jim Richards?

[lookout]

Exam question:

"In the final analysis Farhad Emani inflicted more damage on Sheila than June. Discuss."

Which is probably why the twins were scared of him. They'd have seen the different persona in their mother when she'd been in his company,i.e.----------drugged ! He was a bad influence.

[maggie]

Did anyone watch that series murderers and their mothers?

"Everyone is someone's child, even a serial killer. This series looks at the complex stories of serial killers' family relationships and on a case by case basis looks into the vital role played by their mothers. Do they in fact turn them into psychopathic murderers? In this unnerving and shocking series each episode explores a different killer's disturbing childhood, their unnatural maternal relationship and the devastating impact of 'Mother'.

Presented by Donal MacIntyre, crime journalist and Professor of Criminology in conversation with Dr. Elizabeth Yardley, Director of the Centre for Applied Criminology at Birmingham City University, MacIntyre and Yardley will piece together the biographical, psychological and criminal evidence to build a careful but frightening picture of the killers. 'Murderers and their Mothers' will reveal startling new evidence and opinion about the relationships of each killer and their mother from around the world. This is a rarefied field of criminology and psychology and each unique programme will bring new theories and insights to the table.

I didn't see it although it is on my list to watch.   However, it doesn't surprise me at all that mother's have a huge influence on the development of a child in their care. 

If they are disordered and abusive the child is likely to develop into an angry and disordered individual. 

Imo it is more surprising how some children from seriously abusive and cruel homes manage to break the pattern and give love and care to their children.  I am aware there are also much more subtle forms of abuse from being over demanding mothers trying to make their son into their 'real' man etc.   

The responsibility to be a mother is huge and the success of mothering is very often due to the mother's own mothering....