Sherlock has solved the case at last ...

[Stephanie]

Suzette made a witness statement on 12 September 1985 but we don't have it on this site. She blames her three miscarriages for the eventual break-up of their relationship, and although that was possibly a factor I also believe when Jeremy discovered the terms of Nevill's will he started to put long hours in the farm and they began to drift apart. He also at that point (early 1983) was trying to keep in with June, who threatened to disinherit him if he continued the relationship with her.

Maybe Mike T will post it for us?

So Jeremy was being controlled by his mother?! Maybe that's why he took so many drugs?

[Kaldin]

Suzette made a witness statement on 12 September 1985 but we don't have it on this site. She blames her three miscarriages for the eventual break-up of their relationship, and although that was possibly a factor I also believe when Jeremy discovered the terms of Nevill's will he started to put long hours in the farm and they began to drift apart. He also at that point (early 1983) was trying to keep in with June, who threatened to disinherit him if he continued the relationship with her.

Three? Were they deliberately trying to have a baby? If so, Jeremy doesn't sound like a womaniser. I can see why June would disapprove - Suzette was a lot older than him, and he would have been only 20 or so?

[Steve_uk]

Maybe Mike T will post it for us?

So Jeremy was being controlled by his mother?! Maybe that's why he took so many drugs?

I believe it was Nevill who issued the ultimatum to his son to give up Suzette, possibly at his wife's behest, who confided in a friend she though she was a gold digger. There are references in the books that Jeremy thought his mother was going to change her will in favour of the church, but she had at her time of death not done so.

[Stephanie]

It seems that at this time Jeremy was attempting to keep both parents on board following his return from the trips abroad. From Julie's interview we learn that by Christmas 1984 he was expressing the wish that both Nevill and June would die..

But of course Bambers supporters dismiss the fact that Jeremy said he wished his parents would die because they probably see this as normal behaviour?

[Jane]

Three? Were they deliberately trying to have a baby? If so, Jeremy doesn't sound like a womaniser. I can see why June would disapprove - Suzette was a lot older than him, and he would have been only 20 or so?

Well, they weren't deliberately trying NOT to. I believe Suzette already had children by her husband.

[Stephanie]

Three? Were they deliberately trying to have a baby? If so, Jeremy doesn't sound like a womaniser. I can see why June would disapprove - Suzette was a lot older than him, and he would have been only 20 or so?

Oh he was a womaniser all right, even Jackie will tell you that he loved the women AND men apparently. Any hole a goal 

[Steve_uk]

Three? Were they deliberately trying to have a baby? If so, Jeremy doesn't sound like a womaniser. I can see why June would disapprove - Suzette was a lot older than him, and he would have been only 20 or so?

According to Suzette they were both desperate to have a child together. I think his bout of promiscuity followed their break-up. It really is a tragic case, not to excuse him of the killings at all, but to understand a little more, if that is possible.

[Stephanie]

Three? Were they deliberately trying to have a baby? If so, Jeremy doesn't sound like a womaniser. I can see why June would disapprove - Suzette was a lot older than him, and he would have been only 20 or so?

Imagine what June's disapproval would have done to his ego

[Stephanie]

Did anyone watch that series murderers and their mothers?

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Presented by Donal MacIntyre, crime journalist and Professor of Criminology in conversation with Dr. Elizabeth Yardley, Director of the Centre for Applied Criminology at Birmingham City University, MacIntyre and Yardley will piece together the biographical, psychological and criminal evidence to build a careful but frightening picture of the killers. 'Murderers and their Mothers' will reveal startling new evidence and opinion about the relationships of each killer and their mother from around the world. This is a rarefied field of criminology and psychology and each unique programme will bring new theories and insights to the table.

[Kaldin]

According to Suzette they were both desperate to have a child together. I think his bout of promiscuity followed their break-up. It really is a tragic case, not to excuse him of the killings at all, but to understand a little more, if that is possible.

Was he that promiscuous? I've only read about Suzette, Julie, and possibly Virginia Greaves.

[Stephanie]

I've learned that most violent killers are created from trauma

[Stephanie]

Was he that promiscuous? I've only read about Suzette, Julie, and possibly Virginia Greaves.

You are probably best to go away and read about it for yourself. It's unlikely you'll take our word for it

[Steve_uk]

Was he that promiscuous? I've only read about Suzette, Julie, and possibly Virginia Greaves.

Well from memory there was an incident involving a girl at Bourtree Cottage leaving in tears witnessed by Michael Deckers, there was Jane before Suzette, Liz Rimington, then there was the reference to Julie buying him medication for venereal disease..maybe it wasn't promiscuity strictly speaking after all.

[Steve_uk]

I've learned that most violent killers are created from trauma

From what I have read from Mike here and Michael O' Brien I'm not sure at all that Bamber was born to kill. I think he just saw an opportunity arise and thought he was being clever. From the books I see him as a petty criminal, as attested by Liz Rimington, who said he wanted to break into large houses, and of course there was the Osea Road burglary, which makes me think that in normal circumstances this would have been his modus operandi.

[Stephanie]

From what I have read from Mike here and Michael O' Brien I'm not sure at all that Bamber was born to kill. I think he just saw an opportunity arise and thought he was being clever. From the books I see him as a petty criminal, as attested by Liz Rimington, who said he wanted to break into large houses, and of course there was the Osea Road burglary, which makes me think that in normal circumstances this would have been his modus operandi.

Research suggests there's a link between traumatic life experience and criminal behaviour