Vaulty Manor Farm

[Kaldin]

Yes, one would have liked to believe that was true. For most, that is the case, but you need to realize that for SOME adopted children, it isn't so. Parents often have plans for their children. They want them to be popular, bright, have successful careers, but usually they haven't mapped out their lives in the way that some adoptive parents do. I don't believe Jeremy was ever asked what he'd like to do, it was probably just assumed he'd do it. He MAY, at some time, have gone along with it just to please his father. Being in such a position -having no choice- is hardly conducive to him 'loving' farming. I'd have said quite the reverse. Then of course, there's the emotional blackmail part, ie the bit about them spending time and money preparing him for the future that was planned for him, and the wealth which would be his one day if he towed the line. All in all, whilst he may have seen an open door -after all, his sister had walked through it and escaped to freedom- if he took the same step, the wealth he'd been promised would be sadly depleted.
I'm not saying that believing oneself to be in such a position is easy for any child, but I suspect it may be more difficult for an adopted child who'd been imbued with the feeling that they owed their parents their gratitude for what had been done for them.

But if he walked away from farming he wouldn't lose his inheritance, it would just be reduced a bit than if he'd gone into farming.

I don't see that whether or not he loved farming is an issue really.

[Kaldin]

I suspect that the problem with both Jeremy and Sheila is that neither of them felt able to stand on their own two feet. They both lived in houses/flats purchased by their parents. There was nothing to stop either of them living their own lives other than their own sense of dependence and/or a reliance on the money that their parents provided.

[Jane]

But if he walked away from farming he wouldn't lose his inheritance, it would just be reduced a bit than if he'd gone into farming.

I don't see that whether or not he loved farming is an issue really.

A bit? There was a clause in Nevill's will which said that Jeremy would have to meet certain criteria. Much of the inheritance would have been tied to him running the farm. With Nevill et al out of the way, the inheritance was his with no entailment. If farming isn't in the blood -vocationally- it would be extremely difficult to "'love'".

[Kaldin]

A bit? There was a clause in Nevill's will which said that Jeremy would have to meet certain criteria. Much of the inheritance would have been tied to him running the farm. With Nevill et al out of the way, the inheritance was his with no entailment. If farming isn't in the blood -vocationally- it would be extremely difficult to "'love'".

Nevill's Will said that if Jeremy didn't go into farming, Nevill's estate would be split between Jeremy and Sheila. Jeremy would still have inherited a substantial amount of money. Nevill had other assets - the farm itself was only rented.

I don't think June's Will had any such conditions, so he would have inherited a lot from her too. I don't actually know what her Will said though.

[Jane]

I suspect that the problem with both Jeremy and Sheila is that neither of them felt able to stand on their own two feet. They both lived in houses/flats purchased by their parents. There was nothing to stop either of them living their own lives other than their own sense of dependence and/or a reliance on the money that their parents provided.

Because neither -thanks to Bamber affluence- had ever had to. Money makes for horrible enmeshment. A bit like some peoples' relationship with drugs? Walk away, the bank is closed. How does one live with no qualifications? How does one manage without life's necessities -designer clothes, 4 day weekends, smart clubs and restaurants, all those things readily available when one tows the parental line?

[lookout]

and how did they know.

A daughter of RWB's friend from the Met,was staying at the same hostel as Jeremy.Carr,the name,I've forgotten her Christian name.

[Kaldin]

Because neither -thanks to Bamber affluence- had ever had to. Money makes for horrible enmeshment. A bit like some peoples' relationship with drugs? Walk away, the bank is closed. How does one live with no qualifications? How does one manage without life's necessities -designer clothes, 4 day weekends, smart clubs and restaurants, all those things readily available when one tows the parental line?

I absolutely agree. There was no reason why either of them could not have got a job and paid for themselves, but with having wealthy parents who paid for houses/flats, it's difficult to walk away from the carrot dangling from the stick. That might have created some inner conflict for them - perhaps they wanted to be independent but they couldn't quite make the break because they'd be giving up the prospect of being bailed out by their parents.

[Jane]

Nevill's Will said that if Jeremy didn't go into farming, Nevill's estate would be split between Jeremy and Sheila. Jeremy would still have inherited a substantial amount of money. Nevill had other assets - the farm itself was only rented.

I don't think June's Will had any such conditions, so he would have inherited a lot from her too. I don't actually know what her Will said though.

Perhaps, but why settle for half a loaf, when the whole loaf was there for the taking? Plus he'd made it clear that he had no intentions of sharing 'HIS' money with Sheila.

[Jane]

I absolutely agree. There was no reason why either of them could not have got a job and paid for themselves, but with having wealthy parents who paid for houses/flats, it's difficult to walk away from the carrot dangling from the stick. That might have created some inner conflict for them - perhaps they wanted to be independent but they couldn't quite make the break because they'd be giving up the prospect of being bailed out by their parents.

I totally concur with what you say. Jeremy never HAD to work his socks off at school. Sheila -leaving aside her illness- didn't HAVE to find a successful career or marry a wealthy man.

[Kaldin]

Perhaps, but why settle for half a loaf, when the whole loaf was there for the taking? Plus he'd made it clear that he had no intentions of sharing 'HIS' money with Sheila.

Well someone claimed that he said that certainly, but we can't know that he actually said that. If he didn't like farming, of course he'd resent the terms of his father's Will, but that's not necessarily a motive for killing them all.

Sheila also had reason to resent them - she was also financially dependent on them. If it's true that they discussed what to do with the twins, she could have told them it wasn't their business, but with no money of her own, she probably felt that they had power over her.

[Kaldin]

I totally concur with what you say. Jeremy never HAD to work his socks off at school. Sheila -leaving aside her illness- didn't HAVE to find a successful career or marry a wealthy man.

Exactly. It sounds like Jeremy made some kind of attempt to do other things jobwise, but in the end he toed the line and went into farming. Sheila was said to be a model, but I doubt she would have made much money out of that. She was a very pretty girl, but top model? I'm not sure about that. Her husband appears to have been unemployed at least at one stage, so who could she turn to other than her parents?

If both of them had decided as soon as they became adults that they would stand on their own two feet and pay their own way, even if that meant being a bit broke, the family problems probably wouldn't have happened.

[lookout]

Perhaps, but why settle for half a loaf, when the whole loaf was there for the taking? Plus he'd made it clear that he had no intentions of sharing 'HIS' money with Sheila.

There'd be no point anyway after she'd got her cut ?

[nugnug]

Nevill's Will said that if Jeremy didn't go into farming, Nevill's estate would be split between Jeremy and Sheila. Jeremy would still have inherited a substantial amount of money. Nevill had other assets - the farm itself was only rented.

I don't think June's Will had any such conditions, so he would have inherited a lot from her too. I don't actually know what her Will said though.

well it sands reason that if he dident want to go into faring he wouldn't get the farm imagine they were only saving the farm in case he did.

[Jane]

Exactly. It sounds like Jeremy made some kind of attempt to do other things jobwise, but in the end he toed the line and went into farming. Sheila was said to be a model, but I doubt she would have made much money out of that. She was a very pretty girl, but top model? I'm not sure about that. Her husband appears to have been unemployed at least at one stage, so who could she turn to other than her parents?

If both of them had decided as soon as they became adults that they would stand on their own two feet and pay their own way, even if that meant being a bit broke, the family problems probably wouldn't have happened.

Yes, Jeremy could then play at being as 'broke' as some of those he worked with. Very easy when there's the huge and comfortable cushion of affluent parents to fall back on. Sheila was never -despite her prettiness- going to make it as a "top model" (other than in glamour mags, perhaps. A question which MUST be asked because of her breast augmentation, presumably, along with modeling school fees, paid for by her parents) because she was never 'hungry' -motivated- enough. They'd both been trained in the knowledge that work wasn't necessary for them to live.

[Jane]

There'd be no point anyway after she'd got her cut ?

But if she wasn't there to collect, her cut became his.