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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2017, 01:46:PM »
I wonder if anyone bothered to find out if Colin did have a half share in the property where the couple first lived before the twins were born ? Probably not,but I wouldn't mind betting that nobody gave it a thought anyway.

well I would gues that he would of known himself if he had.

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2017, 01:53:PM »
A 24 year old who enjoyed a social scene in combination with the job he allegedly loved. MANY at his age, and from his background, were doing exactly that by the time they were 24. Harvesting isn't year round. Farming, especially when it's no more taxing than labouring, allows for free time.





His father had no complaints with his work during harvesting ( hardest time of the year hence the late finish ) and his social life didn't interfere with it so no problem. ?

We should make a " silly list ",one which describes him as a " killer " !

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2017, 01:53:PM »
In one of Ann Eaton's statement she recounts a conversation with Jeremy whereby Jeremy allegedly said that the Bambers were planning to vacate White House Farm and purchase Vaulty Manor Farm. Ann said she was so upset by this that she tore down the wallpaper in her bathroom, and in her statement she said she considered what Jeremy said as a threat.

Why would she be so upset about that? She said she wanted to live at Vaulty herself, but it seems a bit of a strong reaction.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.0.html

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i cant see why she would make it up  though

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2017, 01:54:PM »
I'm still quite confused about who owned what actually. Ann said in her statement:

"My husband is a farmer and together we are buying Oak Farm on a mortgage. My father Robert Boutflour and my mother Pamela Boutflour (nee Speakman) live at Carbonnells Farm, Wix, near Manningtree, Essex. This property is owned by my parents."

So Oak Farm was owned by whom at the time? Is she saying that her parents owned Carbonell's Farm? That wasn't true was it? It was owned by Mabel Speakman.

Later on in the statement she said that John Eaton told them that their tenanted farm had been sold without consultation. Which farm was she referring to?

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2017, 01:55:PM »
i cant see why she would make it up  though

I'm not saying she made it up, I'm wondering if Jeremy made it up, or if it was true. I'm wondering why she mentioned it in her statement.

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #80 on: October 02, 2017, 02:03:PM »
Peter and John Eaton inherited a farm from their father, but now I don't know which farm it was!

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #81 on: October 02, 2017, 02:04:PM »




His father had no complaints with his work during harvesting ( hardest time of the year hence the late finish ) and his social life didn't interfere with it so no problem. ?

We should make a " silly list ",one which describes him as a " killer " !

WOW! His father had no complaints after HOW long? It would have been a huge relief to him, I'm sure, but it hardly a long enough period of 'knuckling under' for it to be seen as a long term change. We're not talking about a teenager here.

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #82 on: October 02, 2017, 02:07:PM »
Why did Jeremy have to go into farming? He didn't - he was an adult and a free person. It wasn't the business of his relatives what he went into. He might have liked farming, or he might not have liked it. Perhaps he liked some aspects of it and not others. Does it matter?

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #83 on: October 02, 2017, 02:09:PM »
I'm still quite confused about who owned what actually. Ann said in her statement:

"My husband is a farmer and together we are buying Oak Farm on a mortgage. My father Robert Boutflour and my mother Pamela Boutflour (nee Speakman) live at Carbonnells Farm, Wix, near Manningtree, Essex. This property is owned by my parents."

So Oak Farm was owned by whom at the time? Is she saying that her parents owned Carbonell's Farm? That wasn't true was it? It was owned by Mabel Speakman.

Later on in the statement she said that John Eaton told them that their tenanted farm had been sold without consultation. Which farm was she referring to?





The farm that John Eaton was referring to was that belonging to his brother PE along with wife,AE,who were on holiday at the time only to return home to find that their farm had been sold while they'd been away.

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #84 on: October 02, 2017, 02:10:PM »
Even more of a reason to grab security with both hands,eh ?

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #85 on: October 02, 2017, 02:10:PM »




The farm that John Eaton was referring to was that belonging to his brother PE along with wife,AE,who were on holiday at the time only to return home to find that their farm had been sold while they'd been away.

Yes, but which farm was it? What was it called? Who sold it?

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #86 on: October 02, 2017, 02:15:PM »
Also in Ann's statement is something about Nevill lending Jeremy money when he went to New Zealand, which Jeremy didn't pay back. I think some other relative has mentioned this too. Why was that their business?

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #87 on: October 02, 2017, 02:25:PM »
Also in Ann's statement is something about Nevill lending Jeremy money when he went to New Zealand, which Jeremy didn't pay back. I think some other relative has mentioned this too. Why was that their business?

and how did they know.

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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #88 on: October 02, 2017, 02:29:PM »
and how did they know.

No idea. It wasn't their money so I don't know why they were so interested, other than it being idle gossip.

It seems to me that the Boutflours/Eatons had some kind of grudge against Jeremy before the murders, and a strange interest in what other people owned, so I consider that anything they claimed about him is not really relevant, and their claims about things he said are not reliable. The only interest I know of which Ann shared with Jeremy was shares in the caravan business.

The only bit of evidence which concerns them is the finding of the silencer and their evidence about that. Everything else could be the result of bias, concerns about money, and a sense of entitlement.
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Re: Vaulty Manor Farm
« Reply #89 on: October 02, 2017, 02:30:PM »
Why did Jeremy have to go into farming? He didn't - he was an adult and a free person. It wasn't the business of his relatives what he went into. He might have liked farming, or he might not have liked it. Perhaps he liked some aspects of it and not others. Does it matter?

Yes, one would have liked to believe that was true. For most, that is the case, but you need to realize that for SOME adopted children, it isn't so. Parents often have plans for their children. They want them to be popular, bright, have successful careers, but usually they haven't mapped out their lives in the way that some adoptive parents do. I don't believe Jeremy was ever asked what he'd like to do, it was probably just assumed he'd do it. He MAY, at some time, have gone along with it just to please his father. Being in such a position -having no choice- is hardly conducive to him 'loving' farming. I'd have said quite the reverse. Then of course, there's the emotional blackmail part, ie the bit about them spending time and money preparing him for the future that was planned for him, and the wealth which would be his one day if he towed the line. All in all, whilst he may have seen an open door -after all, his sister had walked through it and escaped to freedom- if he took the same step, the wealth he'd been promised would be sadly depleted.
I'm not saying that believing oneself to be in such a position is easy for any child, but I suspect it may be more difficult for an adopted child who'd been imbued with the feeling that they owed their parents their gratitude for what had been done for them.