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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #435 on: September 24, 2017, 01:48:PM »

It feels like it's hoped that by condemning Julie, it'll shift attention away from Jeremy's guilt.

think that's referred to blame shifting tactics - which we all know Jeremy Bamber attempted to do, and failed, in order to get away with his crimes.

There's a wealth of material on the www now regarding personality disorders and the like but I would encourage posters to read/listen to the work of H G Tudor - who is a self confessed "greater elite narcissist."

This is an interview with the man himself https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0zFlKwaf9oo - a good starting point imo
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #436 on: September 24, 2017, 01:58:PM »
Further re Blame Shifting courtesy of H G Tudor

"The fact for so long you had no idea what you were dealing with resulted in you engaging in an anticipated behaviour. This behaviour is one which we regularly rely on in order to keep you in the dark. I have made mention of the various traits which we look for in those who make the most useful victims to us. One of those traits concerns your ability to try to find the good in everyone and everything. This is a typical empathic trait and along with all of the others which you possess causes you to flare up on our radar when we are seeking an excellent primary source. Your desire to see good means that it obscures your ability to see the bad or perhaps more accurately, to accept the bad. This is something we desire because it prevents you from truly recognising what it is that is happening to you once your devaluation has begun. We of course love to operate from a position of plausible deniability, we court ambiguity since we enjoy and need to twist and turn in order to achieve what we want. If you saw everything as stark and clear as I now describe our machinations to you, you would be more inclined to escape us and bring about that unwelcome cessation of our primary source of fuel. It would also make it harder to apply those hoovers when we wish to return you to the fold and have you engage in our cyclical endeavours once again. We present you with the truth of what we are on a repeated basis but although we offer it up in front of you, we never let you see it clearly. We draw a veil across certain elements, apply a smoke screen, obscure some parts and distort others. The reality is there before you. It is evident and plain but because of the way in which we purposefully manipulate you, you are unable to see it. It is akin to us pointing out a ship on the horizon. It is obvious for us to see but when we hand you a telescope to gain a better look at this vessel, the lens has been smeared with something which distorts the view, or we place our finger over part of the lens blocking your view.

The consequence of this distortion is to prevent you from truly seeing what we are. This in turn means that you are unable to form a clear and coherent view of the person which has taken hold of you. This becomes infuriating for others who we have not been able to drag into our façade, but who recognise full well what we are. These observers tell you what you are dealing with. They may be circumspect to begin with, hoping not to offend your sensibilities but over time their increasing exasperation causes them to come out and say it straight. Yet, such candour rarely finds favour with you because you do not like to be told something about someone as wonderful as us (or at least someone who was wonderful). You do not like to think that the golden period has gone. You do not like to be deprived of the idea that what you once had will never come back or even that it did not exist to begin with. Most of the reasons why you think like this is as a consequence of our manipulative behaviour, which further goes to underline that it is not your fault. Even your desire to see the good in people is not your fault either. That is who you are. We know that and we exploit it. It is our fault again but of course in the midst of the battle that we engage in with you, we will never admit that anything is our fault. That will never do.

Thus, your view of us is obscured and because of this you will always issue excuses to explain away our behaviour, our words and our actions. You make these excuses time and time again, to others and to yourselves. You believe these excuses because this is how you think and you have been led towards this train of thought by the schooling you have received at our manipulative hands and mouths. You also utilise these excuses to continue to convince yourself that the unsavoury elements of our behaviour are just an aberration, an occasional blip in respect of an otherwise magnificent person. Your charity is amazing and naturally most welcome for through this blinkered approach you divest us of responsibility for the things we do, something which aligns with one of our many stated aims. You prevent yourself from examining further the reality of what has now ensnared you and the repeated application of these excuses keeps you in situ. We want you to utilise these excuses. We want to hear them. We want them said to us and to others. Your excuses frustrate and alienate those who are against us, your excuses support our manufactured façade and most of all they ensure you deny to yourself that which is directly before you. Here are twenty-five of those such excuses. You will have said them and probably more than once. Understand that each time you utter one you have used a further death knell for your prospects of escaping us.

He is just tired; it makes him snap.
He doesn’t mean it, not really.
You don’t have to pretend with me, I just want you to be yourself.
He has a lot on his mind at the moment.
Work is particularly stressful for him.
He sometimes has a bit too much to drink, but hey, who hasn’t been there?
I think perhaps I am too harsh on him at times, it is my fault really.
He is in a bad place but he will come through it.
He is a complex person; you don’t understand him like I do
It is just the way he is; I have got used to it.
I know it seems bad but he does so much that is lovely; this is only a small part of what he is like.
Nobody knows him properly, that’s why you think bad of him.
He is a popular guy so he is always going to have women hitting on him.
He has a temper, I know, but that’s part of what he is and it’s not for us to change him.
I need to be more supportive and then he will be better.
He’s not well at the moment but I will help him get through it, you will see.
You’ve only heard one side of the story; he is not like that at all.
Yes, well, his family would say that about him to cover up what they did to him.
All he needs is to be loved and I am the one who is going to do that for him.
You don’t know what you are saying anymore, it is okay, I do understand.
It was a one-off, it won’t happen again.
I know it was wrong but this time he has promised that he won’t do it anymore.
You don’t understand the way that me and him are together.
You are just jealous of what we have. Why can’t you be pleased for us, for my sake?
I’m sorry, it was my fault

https://narcsite.com/category/blame-shifting/




Julie Mugfords view was obscured, to her detriment, until the penny finally dropped and she came out of the FOG - fear, obligation, guilt
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #437 on: September 24, 2017, 02:13:PM »
Further re Blame Shifting courtesy of H G Tudor

The fact for so long you had no idea what you were dealing with resulted in you engaging in an anticipated behaviour. This behaviour is one which we regularly rely on in order to keep you in the dark. I have made mention of the various traits which we look for in those who make the most useful victims to us. One of those traits concerns your ability to try to find the good in everyone and everything. This is a typical empathic trait and along with all of the others which you possess causes you to flare up on our radar when we are seeking an excellent primary source. Your desire to see good means that it obscures your ability to see the bad or perhaps more accurately, to accept the bad. This is something we desire because it prevents you from truly recognising what it is that is happening to you once your devaluation has begun. We of course love to operate from a position of plausible deniability, we court ambiguity since we enjoy and need to twist and turn in order to achieve what we want. If you saw everything as stark and clear as I now describe our machinations to you, you would be more inclined to escape us and bring about that unwelcome cessation of our primary source of fuel. It would also make it harder to apply those hoovers when we wish to return you to the fold and have you engage in our cyclical endeavours once again. We present you with the truth of what we are on a repeated basis but although we offer it up in front of you, we never let you see it clearly. We draw a veil across certain elements, apply a smoke screen, obscure some parts and distort others. The reality is there before you. It is evident and plain but because of the way in which we purposefully manipulate you, you are unable to see it. It is akin to us pointing out a ship on the horizon. It is obvious for us to see but when we hand you a telescope to gain a better look at this vessel, the lens has been smeared with something which distorts the view, or we place our finger over part of the lens blocking your view.

The consequence of this distortion is to prevent you from truly seeing what we are. This in turn means that you are unable to form a clear and coherent view of the person which has taken hold of you. This becomes infuriating for others who we have not been able to drag into our façade, but who recognise full well what we are. These observers tell you what you are dealing with. They may be circumspect to begin with, hoping not to offend your sensibilities but over time their increasing exasperation causes them to come out and say it straight. Yet, such candour rarely finds favour with you because you do not like to be told something about someone as wonderful as us (or at least someone who was wonderful). You do not like to think that the golden period has gone. You do not like to be deprived of the idea that what you once had will never come back or even that it did not exist to begin with. Most of the reasons why you think like this is as a consequence of our manipulative behaviour, which further goes to underline that it is not your fault. Even your desire to see the good in people is not your fault either. That is who you are. We know that and we exploit it. It is our fault again but of course in the midst of the battle that we engage in with you, we will never admit that anything is our fault. That will never do.

Thus, your view of us is obscured and because of this you will always issue excuses to explain away our behaviour, our words and our actions. You make these excuses time and time again, to others and to yourselves. You believe these excuses because this is how you think and you have been led towards this train of thought by the schooling you have received at our manipulative hands and mouths. You also utilise these excuses to continue to convince yourself that the unsavoury elements of our behaviour are just an aberration, an occasional blip in respect of an otherwise magnificent person. Your charity is amazing and naturally most welcome for through this blinkered approach you divest us of responsibility for the things we do, something which aligns with one of our many stated aims. You prevent yourself from examining further the reality of what has now ensnared you and the repeated application of these excuses keeps you in situ. We want you to utilise these excuses. We want to hear them. We want them said to us and to others. Your excuses frustrate and alienate those who are against us, your excuses support our manufactured façade and most of all they ensure you deny to yourself that which is directly before you. Here are twenty-five of those such excuses. You will have said them and probably more than once. Understand that each time you utter one you have used a further death knell for your prospects of escaping us.

He is just tired; it makes him snap.
He doesn’t mean it, not really.
You don’t have to pretend with me, I just want you to be yourself.
He has a lot on his mind at the moment.
Work is particularly stressful for him.
He sometimes has a bit too much to drink, but hey, who hasn’t been there?
I think perhaps I am too harsh on him at times, it is my fault really.
He is in a bad place but he will come through it.
He is a complex person; you don’t understand him like I do
It is just the way he is; I have got used to it.
I know it seems bad but he does so much that is lovely; this is only a small part of what he is like.
Nobody knows him properly, that’s why you think bad of him.
He is a popular guy so he is always going to have women hitting on him.
He has a temper, I know, but that’s part of what he is and it’s not for us to change him.
I need to be more supportive and then he will be better.
He’s not well at the moment but I will help him get through it, you will see.
You’ve only heard one side of the story; he is not like that at all.
Yes, well, his family would say that about him to cover up what they did to him.
All he needs is to be loved and I am the one who is going to do that for him.
You don’t know what you are saying anymore, it is okay, I do understand.
It was a one-off, it won’t happen again.
I know it was wrong but this time he has promised that he won’t do it anymore.
You don’t understand the way that me and him are together.
You are just jealous of what we have. Why can’t you be pleased for us, for my sake?
I’m sorry, it was my fault

https://narcsite.com/category/blame-shifting/

Julie Mugfords view was obscured, to her detriment, until the penny finally dropped and she came out of the FOG...

Stop diluting the topic with unrelated or meaningless material.

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #438 on: September 24, 2017, 02:17:PM »
oh dear we are back in the world of psycho babble.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #439 on: September 24, 2017, 02:19:PM »
David I'm sorry but we have focussed on Sheila and her illness ad nauseum recently and she has been crucified for suffering from an illness through no fault of her own. Why not add "all people are bad and should be killed" whilst you're about it?

The whole point why Jeremy Bamber expressed the view that this was a perfect crime was because he saw what a fragile state she was in those last few months and realized he could use her as a scapegoat to start anew, though five people had to die for him to accomplish that end.

well if sheila did it then her islness would be the couse of her doing it so you have to focus on it.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #440 on: September 24, 2017, 02:20:PM »
David I'm sorry but we have focussed on Sheila and her illness ad nauseum recently and she has been crucified for suffering from an illness through no fault of her own. Why not add "all people are bad and should be killed" whilst you're about it?

The whole point why Jeremy Bamber expressed the view that this was a perfect crime was because he saw what a fragile state she was in those last few months and realized he could use her as a scapegoat to start anew, though five people had to die for him to accomplish that end.

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #441 on: September 24, 2017, 02:28:PM »
Carol Ann Lee's book says Brett gave a solo interview with The Sun - 'Bambi, police blaming my pal Jeremy'. This was before Bamber was charged.

The following week Brett rang up Michael Fielder & both Bamber & Brett met him.

Fielder is on tape saying Bamber offerred smutty photo's of Sheila which he never saw. Fielder was willing to testify such although Nugs said yesterday he was only willing to testify because he knew he wouldn't be called ? !

Carol Ann Lee said that according to both Colin Caffell & Sheila's freind the photos did exist, and that Bamber wanted over £20,000p for them & his life story.

Bamber's meeting with Fielder was either his idea, after finding out what Brett had done & realising he could do the same thing for money. Or it was Brett's idea & Bamber agreed. Probably a combination of the two.

It seems Brett wasn't so shy prior to Bamber being charged but completely disappeared afterwards.

Hopefully a copy of the Sun's interview with Brett will surface one day.

If either of you (David/Nugnug) bothered to actually read and absorb the posts on this thread you will both comprehend the fact that blame shifting is a well known diversion tactic used by people like Jeremy Bamber.

I am not interested in psycho babble nor indeed am I interested in your quite apparent biased attitudes towards Sheila and Julie.

It's also clear from your numerous pointless posts that the pair of you are keen to derail debate at any cost.

What is it you both wish to hide I wonder?
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #442 on: September 24, 2017, 02:31:PM »
What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

This is referred to as circular conversation David; I've posted a link regarding this here

Furthermore and for clarity the following is well worth a read https://narcsite.com/2017/09/22/word-salad-and-how-to-toss-it-2/

"Word salad can appear in many forms. For instance, there will be circular conversations where the topic just keeps repeating without there ever being a resolution. We will repeatedly project and we will also bring up the past (whether real or manufactured). It is common as well in this word salad to play the victim. We will make incredible leaps of logic which will make no sense to you, but make perfect sense to us because they are necessary in order to achieve our aims and to keep the upper hand. We will twist, contort and engage in all manner of spoken and written gymnastics to ensure that the effects we require or desire are achieved.
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #443 on: September 24, 2017, 02:43:PM »

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion.


Now if you were to apply the above to Jeremy Bamber and what he has publicly attempted to do over the past 32 years then yes I would agree.
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #444 on: September 24, 2017, 03:15:PM »
Now if you were to apply the above to Jeremy Bamber and what he has publicly attempted to do over the past 32 years then yes I would agree.

Do you believe Bamber's supporters have fallen for the same things people did with Simon Hall ?
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #445 on: September 24, 2017, 04:42:PM »
Further re Blame Shifting courtesy of H G Tudor

"The fact for so long you had no idea what you were dealing with resulted in you engaging in an anticipated behaviour. This behaviour is one which we regularly rely on in order to keep you in the dark. I have made mention of the various traits which we look for in those who make the most useful victims to us. One of those traits concerns your ability to try to find the good in everyone and everything. This is a typical empathic trait and along with all of the others which you possess causes you to flare up on our radar when we are seeking an excellent primary source. Your desire to see good means that it obscures your ability to see the bad or perhaps more accurately, to accept the bad. This is something we desire because it prevents you from truly recognising what it is that is happening to you once your devaluation has begun. We of course love to operate from a position of plausible deniability, we court ambiguity since we enjoy and need to twist and turn in order to achieve what we want. If you saw everything as stark and clear as I now describe our machinations to you, you would be more inclined to escape us and bring about that unwelcome cessation of our primary source of fuel. It would also make it harder to apply those hoovers when we wish to return you to the fold and have you engage in our cyclical endeavours once again. We present you with the truth of what we are on a repeated basis but although we offer it up in front of you, we never let you see it clearly. We draw a veil across certain elements, apply a smoke screen, obscure some parts and distort others. The reality is there before you. It is evident and plain but because of the way in which we purposefully manipulate you, you are unable to see it. It is akin to us pointing out a ship on the horizon. It is obvious for us to see but when we hand you a telescope to gain a better look at this vessel, the lens has been smeared with something which distorts the view, or we place our finger over part of the lens blocking your view.

The consequence of this distortion is to prevent you from truly seeing what we are. This in turn means that you are unable to form a clear and coherent view of the person which has taken hold of you. This becomes infuriating for others who we have not been able to drag into our façade, but who recognise full well what we are. These observers tell you what you are dealing with. They may be circumspect to begin with, hoping not to offend your sensibilities but over time their increasing exasperation causes them to come out and say it straight. Yet, such candour rarely finds favour with you because you do not like to be told something about someone as wonderful as us (or at least someone who was wonderful). You do not like to think that the golden period has gone. You do not like to be deprived of the idea that what you once had will never come back or even that it did not exist to begin with. Most of the reasons why you think like this is as a consequence of our manipulative behaviour, which further goes to underline that it is not your fault. Even your desire to see the good in people is not your fault either. That is who you are. We know that and we exploit it. It is our fault again but of course in the midst of the battle that we engage in with you, we will never admit that anything is our fault. That will never do.

Thus, your view of us is obscured and because of this you will always issue excuses to explain away our behaviour, our words and our actions. You make these excuses time and time again, to others and to yourselves. You believe these excuses because this is how you think and you have been led towards this train of thought by the schooling you have received at our manipulative hands and mouths. You also utilise these excuses to continue to convince yourself that the unsavoury elements of our behaviour are just an aberration, an occasional blip in respect of an otherwise magnificent person. Your charity is amazing and naturally most welcome for through this blinkered approach you divest us of responsibility for the things we do, something which aligns with one of our many stated aims. You prevent yourself from examining further the reality of what has now ensnared you and the repeated application of these excuses keeps you in situ. We want you to utilise these excuses. We want to hear them. We want them said to us and to others. Your excuses frustrate and alienate those who are against us, your excuses support our manufactured façade and most of all they ensure you deny to yourself that which is directly before you. Here are twenty-five of those such excuses. You will have said them and probably more than once. Understand that each time you utter one you have used a further death knell for your prospects of escaping us.

He is just tired; it makes him snap.
He doesn’t mean it, not really.
You don’t have to pretend with me, I just want you to be yourself.
He has a lot on his mind at the moment.
Work is particularly stressful for him.
He sometimes has a bit too much to drink, but hey, who hasn’t been there?
I think perhaps I am too harsh on him at times, it is my fault really.
He is in a bad place but he will come through it.
He is a complex person; you don’t understand him like I do
It is just the way he is; I have got used to it.
I know it seems bad but he does so much that is lovely; this is only a small part of what he is like.
Nobody knows him properly, that’s why you think bad of him.
He is a popular guy so he is always going to have women hitting on him.
He has a temper, I know, but that’s part of what he is and it’s not for us to change him.
I need to be more supportive and then he will be better.
He’s not well at the moment but I will help him get through it, you will see.
You’ve only heard one side of the story; he is not like that at all.
Yes, well, his family would say that about him to cover up what they did to him.
All he needs is to be loved and I am the one who is going to do that for him.
You don’t know what you are saying anymore, it is okay, I do understand.
It was a one-off, it won’t happen again.
I know it was wrong but this time he has promised that he won’t do it anymore.
You don’t understand the way that me and him are together.
You are just jealous of what we have. Why can’t you be pleased for us, for my sake?
I’m sorry, it was my fault

https://narcsite.com/category/blame-shifting/




Julie Mugfords view was obscured, to her detriment, until the penny finally dropped and she came out of the FOG - fear, obligation, guilt
In other words, psychopaths idealise, devalue then discard.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #446 on: September 24, 2017, 04:42:PM »
oh dear we are back in the world of psycho babble.
I know..and there's only me that reads them.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #447 on: September 29, 2017, 12:00:AM »
   If JB is guilty then she most certainly did more than fail to report a crime. There is ample evidence, if JB is guilty, that she was an accessory/accomplice to the crime.
    I feel sure that if all the dealings between EP, JM and the NOTW were revealed then we would see exposed the plotting of a frame up.
    Just to add to the many who have already said, it is good to see you posting again, Kaldin.

JM failed to spot the fact she was being manipulated by an extremely dangerous, calculated and cunning individual. in other words a classic psycho!

She was quite clearly conflicted by her thoughts of "did he or didn't he" until such time that she spoke to the police.
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #448 on: September 29, 2017, 01:27:AM »
JM failed to spot the fact she was being manipulated by an extremely dangerous, calculated and cunning individual. in other words a classic psycho!

She was quite clearly conflicted by her thoughts of "did he or didn't he" until such time that she spoke to the police.
   Is this claim of "fact" made by someone credible, or is it just you?

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #449 on: September 29, 2017, 09:03:AM »
   Is this claim of "fact" made by someone credible, or is it just you?






This is just it gringo---it's so easy to paint situations with the same brush when you've gone through similar yourself. I do it myself regarding a social services team who damaged 4 of my great-grandchildren,besides the fact that they also " criminalised " the family. I truly hate the lot of them for what they did to my family and nothing that anyone says will ever convince me that such an establishment does any good.
So when you have a fixation about something or somebody,it's very very difficult to " look at the other side " of things.