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Offline Adam

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #420 on: September 23, 2017, 09:55:PM »
He is. He needs to break that list down and be more specific.

Specific. You are just making excuses so you can focus on Julie wearing a veil at the funeral or taking 20 days before telling someone.

As you know, each piece has at least one source.

David won't even say what his one piece of evidence from 18 months ago is. Which he somehow found himself.
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #421 on: September 23, 2017, 09:56:PM »
That is all very circumstantial, and a lot of it could just as easily apply to Sheila. A lot of it is just the opinion of others who perhaps didn't know him very well anyway.

I thought you would bring up the issue of the silencer, which is at least slightly more in the line of hard evidence.
Well forensics is not my strong point, but to get Sheila's blood as far down into the baffles as it travelled to mimic the firing of the murder weapon would be an art in itself, not to mention the risk the individuals themselves were taking should their involvement in criminal activity of this kind ever have transpired.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #422 on: September 23, 2017, 09:58:PM »
Specific. You are just making excuses so you can focus on Julie wearing a veil at the funeral or taking 20 days before telling someone.

David won't even say what his one piece of evidence from 18 months ago is. Which he somehow found himself.

It's no use bombarding me with a vague list of "evidence". You have to back it up and concentrate on one issue at a time.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #423 on: September 23, 2017, 10:06:PM »
It's no use bombarding me with a vague list of "evidence". You have to back it up and concentrate on one issue at a time.

Vague list. Each piece has a source. Most several.

Some pieces have been discussed on here. Supporters claiming the published evidence is wrong. Meaning there was an industrial frame & Bamber is the unluckiest man ever.
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #424 on: September 23, 2017, 10:07:PM »
Vague list. Each piece has a source. Most several.

Some pieces have been discussed on here. Supporters claiming the published evidence is wrong. Meaning there was an industrial frame & Bamber is the unluckiest man ever.

So discuss them one at a time then. I can't go through that whole list all at once.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #425 on: September 23, 2017, 10:15:PM »
So discuss them one at a time then. I can't go through that whole list all at once.

Already have for most of them. You have been a member longer than me so should have read them.

You need to decide whether Bamber is guilty or whether there was an industrial frame.

Focusing on Julie for not being interested in Bamber's 3am call is not a reason for being 'on the fence'.
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #426 on: September 23, 2017, 10:16:PM »
I do despair of members who are on the fence..

Offline Kaldin

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #427 on: September 23, 2017, 10:17:PM »
Already have for most of them. You have been a member longer than me so should have read them.

You need to decide whether Bamber is guilty or whether there was an industrial frame.

Focusing on Julie for not being interested in Bamber's 3am call is not a reason for being 'on the fence'.

There are many reasons that I'm on the fence, and I've only discussed that phone call recently. I don't need to decide anything just to suit you. If I'm undecided, I'm undecided. If you can convince me that Jeremy is guilty with no chance of any alternative, feel free to try.

I might have been a member here for a long time, but I didn't read the forum or post for about six years.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #428 on: September 23, 2017, 10:17:PM »
I do despair of members who are on the fence..

Why? If you've decided that he's guilty why are you discussing it on here anyway?

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #429 on: September 23, 2017, 10:23:PM »
Why? If you've decided that he's guilty why are you discussing it on here anyway?
Because there are some intelligent people here on both sides. It's none of your business anyway..
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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #430 on: September 23, 2017, 10:24:PM »
Because there are some intelligent people here on both sides. It's none of your business anyway..

Me being on the fence is none of your business either, but you chose to remark on it.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #431 on: September 23, 2017, 10:29:PM »
Me being on the fence is none of your business either, but you chose to remark on it.
I didn't know you were. Very sorry to cause offence.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #432 on: September 23, 2017, 10:29:PM »
There is no smoking gun, but there is a whole host of circumstantial evidence regarding Jeremy's relationship with his parents, the true nature of which he is still in denial over after 32 years, the provisions of the will, his bitter state of mind over the period as related by Julie, his proficiency in firearms, his materialistic nature and desperation to impress others by money to compensate for his inadequacy, and the combination of circumstances which accrued, including Sheila's illness, Nevill's infirmity, the lightning strike and the occasion of all the family assembled under the one roof, making as Julie reported that the crime would be "now or never".

Half of this is based on your assumptions while the other half is based on the word of a proven liar.

Now lets look at credible circumstantial evidence against Sheila.

the circumstance: of the re-admission was that Mr. Neville BAMBER ‘phoned
the hospital requesting that she be re-admitted urgently due to
deterioration of her mental state.
Sheila was found to be psychotic and this time thought that her boyfriend
Fredey was the devil.

See Dr Furgusons statements

Sheila had a violent and short temper
I would say that Sheila had a very quick and violent temper.
See F Ahami statements

People would not feel safe around her while having a psychotic episode.
I was in fear for my personal safety.
See F Ahami statements

Sheila had mentioned killing people
"All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
See notes of DS Jones/Barbra Wilson

Sheila was suicidal
She asked if I had ever thought of killing myself, and that she had contemplated suicide on more than one occassion
See statements of Helen Grimster

RC was once sent out to take the twins away from her because she might harm them.

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #433 on: September 23, 2017, 10:30:PM »
I didn't know you were. Very sorry to cause offence.

That's OK.  :)

Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:
« Reply #434 on: September 23, 2017, 10:59:PM »
Half of this is based on your assumptions while the other half is based on the word of a proven liar.

Now lets look at credible circumstantial evidence against Sheila.

the circumstance: of the re-admission was that Mr. Neville BAMBER ‘phoned
the hospital requesting that she be re-admitted urgently due to
deterioration of her mental state.
Sheila was found to be psychotic and this time thought that her boyfriend
Fredey was the devil.

See Dr Furgusons statements

Sheila had a violent and short temper
I would say that Sheila had a very quick and violent temper.
See F Ahami statements

People would not feel safe around her while having a psychotic episode.
I was in fear for my personal safety.
See F Ahami statements

Sheila had mentioned killing people
"All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed"
See notes of DS Jones/Barbra Wilson

Sheila was suicidal
She asked if I had ever thought of killing myself, and that she had contemplated suicide on more than one occassion
See statements of Helen Grimster

RC was once sent out to take the twins away from her because she might harm them.
David I'm sorry but we have focussed on Sheila and her illness ad nauseum recently and she has been crucified for suffering from an illness through no fault of her own. Why not add "all people are bad and should be killed" whilst you're about it?

The whole point why Jeremy Bamber expressed the view that this was a perfect crime was because he saw what a fragile state she was in those last few months and realized he could use her as a scapegoat to start anew, though five people had to die for him to accomplish that end.
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