The Bible

[sherlock]

Even if she was meditating on the things contained in the Psalms it's a huge stretch to claim she is therefore the perpetrator of the tragedies.

The only conclusion that I draw from the significance of those Psalms is this :

 Whoever was responsible for the Bible being open at that page had a high level of religious understanding - it was 100% relevant to what had took place - way beyond coincidence ...

It could have been Sheila or Jeremy or Malcolm or maybe someone else - but whoever it was had a total understanding of those Psalms significance - something that most people do not posses ...

It is a rare person who would understand the significance ....

So for me it is a possible clue as to the guilty parties identity ...

When I am asking myself if a particular person is guilty one relevant factor therefore is "do they have an expert knowledge of religion ?"

If they do then to me it would make them a more likely suspect - if they do not then I would rule them out for that reason alone - it's that significant ....

For example if I was investigating whether or not Malcolm was involved then his knowledge of religion would be very significant - same goes for Anthony Parteger, Robert Boutflour, Jeremy and Sheila and any other suspect that I put thought to ...

If it was in fact Sheila that was reading those Psalms that night then to me she would be 100% responsible for that reason alone ...

If it was someone else then they wrongly assumed that whoever found the Bible would pick up on the significance thereby making it look like Sheila committed suicide ...

It either was Sheila or was meant to look like Sheila was reading that particular page ...

If it was not Sheila then it was not just the Bible being next to her that was meant to suggest it was her - it was the exact page as well ...

As it turned out no one picked up on the significance of that particular page ...

Kaldin might be right in feeling that the Bible might have an extra interesting story to tell us ...

Consider this :

If it was Sheila then did the Bible get blood stained etc on that page naturally ?

Or does the way it was found and the blood stains look more like a "set up" on careful examination of the facts ?

[Steve_uk]

The only conclusion that I draw from the significance of those Psalms is this :

 Whoever was responsible for the Bible being open at that page had a high level of religious understanding - it was 100% relevant to what had took place - way beyond coincidence ...

It could have been Sheila or Jeremy or Malcolm or maybe someone else - but whoever it was had a total understanding of those Psalms significance - something that most people do not posses ...

It is a rare person who would understand the significance ....

So for me it is a possible clue as to the guilty parties identity ...

When I am asking myself if a particular person is guilty one relevant factor therefore is "do they have an expert knowledge of religion ?"

If they do then to me it would make them a more likely suspect - if they do not then I would rule them out for that reason alone - it's that significant ....

For example if I was investigating whether or not Malcolm was involved then his knowledge of religion would be very significant - same goes for Anthony Parteger, Robert Boutflour, Jeremy and Sheila and any other suspect that I put thought to ...

If it was in fact Sheila that was reading those Psalms that night then to me she would be 100% responsible for that reason alone ...

If it was someone else then they wrongly assumed that whoever found the Bible would pick up on the significance thereby making it look like Sheila committed suicide ...

It either was Sheila or was meant to look like Sheila was reading that particular page ...

If it was not Sheila then it was not just the Bible being next to her that was meant to suggest it was her - it was the exact page as well ...

As it turned out no one picked up on the significance of that particular page ...

Kaldin might be right in feeling that the Bible might have an extra interesting story to tell us ...

Consider this :

If it was Sheila then did the Bible get blood stained etc on that page naturally ?

Or does the way it was found and the blood stains look more like a "set up" on careful examination of the facts ?

But you're assuming that somehow the bible id relevant to the killings, and besides many villagers knew of June's religious mania if not Sheila's.

[Roch]

But the problem is the nightie, her clean feet, her hands which are remarkably unscathed given she's had all this life and death struggle..

Well, wrong thread I suppose.  However, you yourself have seen better quality images of her right hand.  It didn't look that clean to me.  There was only going to be one winner in a life death struggle between the younger & psychotic Sheila and a disorientated, recently woken June. 

[sherlock]

She's covered in wounds - which explode the myths that have been peddled for 30 years regarding her supposedly being in near perfect condition and only having two gunshot wounds.

She was the perpetrator.   Peter Vanezis, in collusion with the prosecution, concealed the existence of the wounds.  The same was done with June Bamber who has wounds to her right shin and lower left leg, her chin and probably her throat also.  All three adults have fight / defence wounds.  Jeremy has none and couldn't afford to sustain any (i.e. in any scenario where he is an inheritance killer).

Considering they were 100% sure it was suicide did they even look at Sheila much at all ? In those days I doubt it very much - why would they be looking for injuries or marks on her ? is it possible they just did not do their job properly ?

[Roch]

Considering they were 100% sure it was suicide did they even look at Sheila much at all ? In those days I doubt it very much - why would they be looking for injuries or marks on her ? is it possible they just did not do their job properly ?

Unpick your own post.   They were 100% sure - precisely because of the injuries and marks present. 

All three deceased adults had fight / defence wounds. 

[sherlock]

But the problem is the nightie, her clean feet, her hands which are remarkably unscathed given she's had all this life and death struggle..

There are possible explanations for these things - including Sheila cleaning herself up before eventually killing herself - and yes her religious mania could very easily have persuaded her to do this before meeting her maker ...

The only struggle anyone had at all was possibly with Neville Bamber in the kitchen - and I do not think it was much of a struggle - he was already badly injured and simply got finished off with the rifle butt - no actual physical struggle took place in my opinion ...

[sherlock]

Unpick your own post.   They were 100% sure - precisely because of the injuries and marks present. 

All three deceased adults had fight / defence wounds.

Very good point - and then you think that when Robert Boutflour and his old boys club got involved they just simply covered up any evidence that tended to point to Jeremy's innocence ?

[Steve_uk]

There are possible explanations for these things - including Sheila cleaning herself up before eventually killing herself - and yes her religious mania could very easily have persuaded her to do this before meeting her maker ...

The only struggle anyone had at all was possibly with Neville Bamber in the kitchen - and I do not think it was much of a struggle - he was already badly injured and simply got finished off with the rifle butt - no actual physical struggle took place in my opinion ...

Did she also remove the sights from the gun to prime the weapon for murder? 25 shots fired and none into the wall..

[sherlock]

But you're assuming that somehow the bible id relevant to the killings, and besides many villagers knew of June's religious mania if not Sheila's.

I know beyond a doubt that the page the bloodstains were found on is 100% relevant to what happened that night ...

It was or was meant to look like Sheilas religious mania ...

The Psalm would only have relevance to someone who had just killed another human and wanted to become close to God again afterwards ...

[Steve_uk]

I know beyond a doubt that the page the bloodstains were found on is 100% relevant to what happened that night ...

It was or was meant to look like Sheilas religious mania ...

The Psalm would only have relevance to someone who had just killed another human and wanted to become close to God again afterwards ...

I agree with that at least..

[Roch]

Very good point - and then you think that when Robert Boutflour and his old boys club got involved they just simply covered up any evidence that tended to point to Jeremy's innocence ?

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Yes - that is exactly what I think. 

Suspicion and disdain towards Jeremy seems to have come fairly easily to Bobby and Ann.  It's as if the killings presented an opportunity for them to transmute the hatred in to something tangible (and beneficial to their clan).   

[sherlock]

Did she also remove the sights from the gun to prime the weapon for murder? 25 shots fired and none into the wall..

I agree that the fact not one shot missed makes it less likely (but not impossible) to have been Sheila ...

This is one of the reasons I still suspect the expert marksman Anthony Pargeter ...

Out of all the possible suspects he is the most likely not to have missed ...

But how many of the shots were from more than 2 feet away ?

A lot of the shots were that close - so like I say it is not impossible that it was Sheila ...

[Steve_uk]

I agree that the fact not one shot missed makes it less likely (but not impossible) to have been Sheila ...

This is one of the reasons I still suspect the expert marksman Anthony Pargeter ...

Out of all the possible suspects he is the most likely not to have missed ...

But how many of the shots were from more than 2 feet away ?

A lot of the shots were that close - so like I say it is not impossible that it was Sheila ...

But if they were close range all the more likely Nevill could grab the gun. If he's disabled quickly with head shots then all the more likely the shooter is Jeremy.

[Roch]

I agree that the fact not one shot missed makes it less likely (but not impossible) to have been Sheila ...

This is one of the reasons I still suspect the expert marksman Anthony Pargeter ...

Out of all the possible suspects he is the most likely not to have missed ...

But how many of the shots were from more than 2 feet away ?

A lot of the shots were that close - so like I say it is not impossible that it was Sheila ...

Would Pargeter risk trying to take down three adults using a low calibre weapon designed for killing vermin?  How would Pargeter explain any injuries he sustained concurrent with the killings?   How could Pargeter guarantee avoidance of such injuries - given the weapon of choice? 

[sherlock]

I agree with that at least..

The Bible being on or near the body shows that to be true ...

Trust me because I know - the page the bloodstains were on adds to that impression 100% ...

And that can only be because either it was Sheila or someone who knew the significance of that Psalm ...

The significance of that Psalm is just as obvious as the Bible physically being found was ...

But only to people who know what that Psalm is about ....