When a force investigates another force

[Roch]

From time to time we are sold the folllowing line, inevitably as a form of rebuff:

'numerous investigations have been carried out in to Mr. Bamber's case and complaints - none of which have concluded there was any serious misconduct on the part of police that could call in to question the safety of his conviction'.

I'm just paraphrasing here but you will all get the gist.  For those who may be interested - here is some opinion - regarding the sensitive and difficult task of police investigating their counterparts from other constabularies.

[nugnug]

things were a lot diffrent then than they are now cops covered for each other a lot more.

[Adam]

things were a lot diffrent then than they are now cops covered for each other a lot more.

How do you know ?

[Adam]

From 'Crimes, hearts & coronets'.

Bamber gave little of his feelings away when 10 of 12 jurors found the 25-year-old guilty following a potent summation by Judge Drake. At times, the cracks have shown. When in August 1992 the Police Complaints Authority dismissed his concerns over the way the original investigation was handled by Essex Constabulary, he joined five other inmates in Franklin, Durham in wrecking their cells and pasting the words “Free Bamber he is innocent” in excrement on the walls.

[Caroline]

From time to time we are sold the folllowing line, inevitably as a form of rebuff:

'numerous investigations have been carried out in to Mr. Bamber's case and complaints - none of which have concluded there was any serious misconduct on the part of police that could call in to question the safety of his conviction'.

I'm just paraphrasing here but you will all get the gist.  For those who may be interested - here is some opinion - regarding the sensitive and difficult task of police investigating their counterparts from other constabularies.

The text makes the allegation that Jones mentioned a suicide note? Where did this come from? Because unless he was an idiot (which I don't believe he was), this is quite an allegation without evidence to back it up.

[Roch]

The text makes the allegation that Jones mentioned a suicide note? Where did this come from? Because unless he was an idiot (which I don't believe he was), this is quite an allegation without evidence to back it up.

The Stokenchurch excerpt about the 'note' is probably from the four million pages of unindexed documents, released to the CT in 2011.

[Caroline]

The Stokenchurch excerpt about the 'note' is probably from the four million pages of unindexed documents, released to the CT in 2011.

The CT need to back up their claims, anyone can claim anything (and frequently do) but if it's not backed up it's just words. If such a document exists, it DOES beg the question of why SM didn't include it in submissions to the CCRC in 2012?

[Roch]

The CT need to back up their claims, anyone can claim anything (and frequently do) but if it's not backed up it's just words. If such a document exists, it DOES beg the question of why SM didn't include it in submissions to the CCRC in 2012?

I don't think this forum should expect everything to be on this forum. That's just my personal view though - and others are free to disagree.  I doubt sifting through 4 million pages of randomly collated, unindexed documents would have been feasible during SM's window of opportunity.

[ngb1066]

I doubt sifting through 4 million pages of randomly collated, unindexed documents would have been feasible during SM's window of opportunity.

That is correct Roch.  SM had very limited time and he focused on one key issue, the silencer.  Had leave to appeal been granted there were other grounds of appeal he intended to advance.

 

[Roch]

That is correct Roch.  SM had very limited time and he focused on one key issue, the silencer.  Had leave to appeal been granted there were other grounds of appeal he intended to advance.

Thanks Neil.  My understanding is also that the release of this huge volume of mixed-up paperwork took five years to happen.

[Jan]

The Stokenchurch excerpt about the 'note' is probably from the four million pages of unindexed documents, released to the CT in 2011.

do we know what happened to the cassette tapes ?

Also just throwing it out there the note if it existed could have been  notes in her diary .


Also was there not an evidence list that showed suicide note , but later it was dismissed as a "mistake" ?

[Roch]

do we know what happened to the cassette tapes ?

Also just throwing it out there the note if it existed could have been  notes in her diary .


Also was there not an evidence list that showed suicide note , but later it was dismissed as a "mistake" ?

I don't know Jan, for points 1 & 2.  Regarding point 3 - it sounds familiar.  I think it was a claim made by the CT, in their attempt to obtain funding for a forensic study of handwritten notes.

[Jan]

I don't know Jan, for points 1 & 2.  Regarding point 3 - it sounds familiar.  I think it was a claim made by the CT, in their attempt to obtain funding for a forensic study of handwritten notes.

I think there was an original exhibit list that said suicide note . Mike posted it .

[Caroline]

I don't think this forum should expect everything to be on this forum. That's just my personal view though - and others are free to disagree.  I doubt sifting through 4 million pages of randomly collated, unindexed documents would have been feasible during SM's window of opportunity.

I didn't say it should be on the forum, but those making the claim would surely have access to to it and provided a copy of the quote within the document about. I don't think anyone should expect to be believed without providing proof and you have stated this yourself in the past.

[Caroline]

I think there was an original exhibit list that said suicide note . Mike posted it .

They called the note with the numbers and letters a suicide not, it is that note that was found on her bedside table and described as 'illegible'.