Why the police did not disturb the kitchen crime scene:

[Jan]

Do you think Sheila wiped the oil off the rifle. Which her fingers would have on from reloading twice ?

Maybe she wiped the rifle after having her shower.

perhaps ?

As I don't profess to be an expert in that particular rifle I would not know .

Never seen people on shoots wiping their hands though.

[Adam]

perhaps ?

As I don't profess to be an expert in that particular rifle I would not know .

Never seen people on shoots wiping their hands though.

I have just done a google search called 'ritualistic cleansing before suicide'. Nothing came up. Unless I missed it.

Hopefully someone else can provide a religious source which relates to Sheila cleansing herself prior to suicide. Preferably related to the bible.

The crime scene shows she was apparently a reader of the bible. Although she didn't bring her own to WHF & used June's.

[mike tesko]

Sheila's nightdress had spots of June's and Neville Bambers blood upon it!!

[Jan]

Sheila's nightdress had spots of June's and Neville Bambers blood upon it!!

I tried to show adam the blood evidence on the nightdress . He ignored it.

[Jan]

I have just done a google search called 'ritualistic cleansing before suicide'. Nothing came up. Unless I missed it.

Hopefully someone else can provide a religious source which relates to Sheila cleansing herself prior to suicide. Preferably related to the bible.

The crime scene shows she was apparently a reader of the bible. Although she didn't bring her own to WHF & used June's.

There have been posts on this before . Perhaps you could just have a look yourself . Just look at ritual cleansing Christianity . It is to do with confessing your sins and cleansing yourself in all ways I think , but you may need to know more about how June was in her interpretation of the bible and what she passed on to Sheila to understand it more .

For a hint on that remember Colin's letter about the children and June influencing them with her beliefs .

[Adam]

There have been posts on this before . Perhaps you could just have a look yourself . Just look at ritual cleansing Christianity . It is to do with confessing your sins and cleansing yourself in all ways I think , but you may need to know more about how June was in her interpretation of the bible and what she passed on to Sheila to understand it more .

For a hint on that remember Colin's letter about the children and June influencing them with her beliefs .

'Crime scene photographs of Sheila have inappropriately been put on the internet and much has been made of her ‘cleanliness.' The Defence and some writers have suggested that she had washed ritualistically. This is of course a possibility. However, I would like to approach this matter in a different way.'

I agree with the OS.

It was good of June to apparently pass on religious knowledge to Sheila about the bible. A pity Bamber called June a 'religious maniac' & was not so interested.

[susan]

There have been posts on this before . Perhaps you could just have a look yourself . Just look at ritual cleansing Christianity . It is to do with confessing your sins and cleansing yourself in all ways I think , but you may need to know more about how June was in her interpretation of the bible and what she passed on to Sheila to understand it more .

For a hint on that remember Colin's letter about the children and June influencing them with her beliefs .

Hi Jan

we did discuss this before maybe Adam was not with us then I believe a ritual cleansing to do with menstruating does take place all this is tied in with religion I remember Patti told us her Aunt committed suicide but before she did she bathed and changed into her best clothes so this does happen.Sheila would have considered her self unclean in the eyes of God

[maggie]

Hi Jan

we did discuss this before maybe Adam was not with us then I believe a ritual cleansing to do with menstruating does take place all this is tied in with religion I remember Patti told us her Aunt committed suicide but before she did she bathed and changed into her best clothes so this does happen.Sheila would have considered her self unclean in the eyes of God

If she did ritually cleanse she must have washed her arms and hands therefore maybe disturbing the nail wounds and causing them to run with blood again.  If she cleansed and there were no wounds the blood trails would surely have been washed away?

[mike tesko]

It was 7.30am in the summer. Therefore full daylight.

They are highly trained & trained to not to knock things over.

They said they didn't knock anything over. they disturbed two stools which they moved out of the way..

There was no resistance in the kitchen as Bamber shot her upstairs. the police message logs confirm two bodies in the kitchen upon entry (7.35am), the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (7.37am), one dead male, one dead female (7.38am) request for someone to contact the police surgeon, and Coroner's officer regarding two bodies (7.42am) a murder and a suicide (7.45am) a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total (8.10am)

There was no resistance in the kitchen according to the CT's/Bamber's own version. Sheila struggled with Neville Bamber in the kitchen, she also struggled with a police officer prior to her being shot across the throat with a bullet fired from his gun..

Nevill was found in the kitchen with multiple horrific injuries not created by bullet shots. Suggesting there was a huge fight. or that he had fallen several times and hit his hard and face against some hard object!
A typical example is how his head came to be resting inside the rim of a metal coal bucket! If he plunged forward into that metal bucket with his head, untold damage would have been caused to his head and face!

The raid team just had to walk through the kitchen on the way to go upstairs. no they didn't, they remained in the kitchen for several minutes whilst other officers checked the rooms at the top of the back stairway!

There was a smashed ceiling light & aga scratches. Again suggesting a kitchen fight.  The raid team would not smash ceiling lights & scratch aga's.

The 2002 COA dismissed the suggestion the police disturbed the kitchen crime scene. the 2002 appeal were not told that police and CpS had withheld 358 photographs and one crime scene video!

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Hopefully the rather lame claim that the police disturbed the crime scene will no longer be made.Cops staging a crime scene might appear a lame thing for them to have done in your view, but what they did was dishonest and despicable!!