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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #240 on: July 30, 2017, 06:34:PM »
We don't have this in the archive, but if it's the one about her getting along with Jeremy better than her own son, maybe she saw the way the wind was blowing and attempted sycophancy to keep her job.

And she certainly changed her mind later, saying she was afraid to say anything other in case he came after her.

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #241 on: July 30, 2017, 06:36:PM »
We don't have this in the archive, but if it's the one about her getting along with Jeremy better than her own son, maybe she saw the way the wind was blowing and attempted sycophancy to keep her job.
Really Steve?  If she believed he had murdered 5 people she cared about, would she really want to work for him?

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« Reply #242 on: July 30, 2017, 06:37:PM »
We don't have this in the archive, but if it's the one about her getting along with Jeremy better than her own son, maybe she saw the way the wind was blowing and attempted sycophancy to keep her job.


Yes in amongst the grief and shock that was the first thing on her mind .

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« Reply #243 on: July 30, 2017, 06:39:PM »
Jeremy discussed it with Julie. It does have the ring of truth..


Oh  a motive appears that can not be verified.

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #244 on: July 30, 2017, 06:40:PM »
I'm going to say she was probably unable to give unconditional love to either of them, stemming from that she'd never experienced it. Love, in the form that children need to be shown in order to feel, seems to have been taboo in some deeply religious households. Children were taught about a God who didn't love children who were naughty or disobeyed their parents. Somehow, the parents would feel that if this was ok for God, it was the way they should conduct themselves, thus children were never praised for getting it right, RIGHT was what was expected of them, but were reprimanded for getting it wrong. Naturally, this didn't stop "things" being heaped on them because it wouldn't have done for the outside world to see that, as a parent, they were a failure, which was how they would see themselves if their children wouldn't conform to the standards set for them. I think June was deeply disappointed in both Sheila and Jeremy. I don't believe either were what she'd had in mind that her children would be. I get the impression that she thought she might stand a better chance with the twins.

What impression??
Quote the source where she said that
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #245 on: July 30, 2017, 06:40:PM »
Really Steve?  If she believed he had murdered 5 people she cared about, would she really want to work for him?
Was she the only breadwinner in the family? I don't know her circumstances.

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #246 on: July 30, 2017, 06:41:PM »
Her original statement was on here but it is not in the archives .

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #247 on: July 30, 2017, 06:43:PM »
What impression??
Quote the source where she said that

Since when was a source required in order for an impression to be formed? It's usually more about how people act than what they say.

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #248 on: July 30, 2017, 06:45:PM »
What impression??
Quote the source where she said that
She told her mother shortly before the tragedy: "I have worries you know nothing about." She was listless, moping around the Farm, barely on speaking terms with her son after refusing to write any more personal cheques in his favour. There had been a row at the previous Osea Road board meeting, where she would never gainsay her husband. They were both ironically trying to allow their children more freedom within the constraints that economics forced upon them.
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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #249 on: July 30, 2017, 06:46:PM »
What is the agenda? I don't have one, except to seek out the truth.

Your agenda is to wind people up quoting all the time that something is fact when it is just supposition
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #250 on: July 30, 2017, 06:48:PM »
He was a Walter Mitty character, as Malcolm Deckers described him. A nonentity, who liked to be flash with money to give himself some status. We have all met the type..
And what 'type' was Malcolm Deckers?  No offence Steve but we don't know anything about the man, his personal life and character so I don't think he is particularly dependable as a judge of anyone's character. For all we know he may have had a personal grudge against JB.  :-\

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #251 on: July 30, 2017, 06:48:PM »
Your agenda is to wind people up quoting all the time that something is fact when it is just supposition

You throw that accusation out rather a lot.

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #252 on: July 30, 2017, 06:53:PM »
Was she the only breadwinner in the family? I don't know her circumstances.
Neither do I but it's still very difficult to believe that BW would have been willing to have worked for a 5 times murderer.

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #253 on: July 30, 2017, 06:55:PM »
We don't have this in the archive, but if it's the one about her getting along with Jeremy better than her own son, maybe she saw the way the wind was blowing and attempted sycophancy to keep her job.

Once again maybe!!!

Fact is you have no idea do you
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: could jermy have walked to whf.
« Reply #254 on: July 30, 2017, 06:56:PM »
Jeremy discussed it with Julie. It does have the ring of truth..

Does it
Really???
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000