could jermy have walked to whf.

[Jan]

Rarely does a parent admit to not loving or liking it's child. It's not something they'd admit in a million years, indeed they would probably go the other way and heap "things" on the child, signalling generosity to the child and the world. Likewise, it's highly unlikely that a child, of any age, could bring itself to utter words which told the world it's parent didn't love it -it would be far too shameful a thing to admit- instead it would take the guilt for it on it's own shoulders.

So you don't believe she loved either of them ?

[JackieD]

"Obviously adored him"? Prove it. It'll take much more than the amount of money spent on him, believe me.

It's on the forum in black and white
June obviously adored her son
That's what she wrote

[maggie]

So you don't believe she loved either of them ?

Did June love her children unconditionally which is the only kind of love a child needs from a mother?   Who can ever know the truth of that?  It is very possible she did but we don't know the real June Bamber, was she more disordered than mentally unwell?  It's always a tough one as there are so many different kinds of 'love'.

[Jan]

It's on the forum in black and white
June obviously adored her son
That's what she wrote

And she had no reason to lie.

[Jane]

So you don't believe she loved either of them ?

I'm going to say she was probably unable to give unconditional love to either of them, stemming from that she'd never experienced it. Love, in the form that children need to be shown in order to feel, seems to have been taboo in some deeply religious households. Children were taught about a God who didn't love children who were naughty or disobeyed their parents. Somehow, the parents would feel that if this was ok for God, it was the way they should conduct themselves, thus children were never praised for getting it right, RIGHT was what was expected of them, but were reprimanded for getting it wrong. Naturally, this didn't stop "things" being heaped on them because it wouldn't have done for the outside world to see that, as a parent, they were a failure, which was how they would see themselves if their children wouldn't conform to the standards set for them. I think June was deeply disappointed in both Sheila and Jeremy. I don't believe either were what she'd had in mind that her children would be. I get the impression that she thought she might stand a better chance with the twins.

[Jane]

And she had no reason to lie.

I don't actually recall her using the expression "adore" and I find it a very unusual expression for a mother to use of her adult children. Different if it was her husband.

[JackieD]

Rarely does a parent admit to not loving or liking it's child. It's not something they'd admit in a million years, indeed they would probably go the other way and heap "things" on the child, signalling generosity to the child and the world. Likewise, it's highly unlikely that a child, of any age, could bring itself to utter words which told the world it's parent didn't love it -it would be far too shameful a thing to admit- instead it would take the guilt for it on it's own shoulders.

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It's in black and white and June made it clear she loved both her children

She did her best considering her illness

[Steve_uk]

Oh if it's in Anne Eatons statement it must be true

Who said Ann Eaton's statement was gospel truth. Was Jeremy telling the whole truth to Police on 10 September 1985?

[Steve_uk]

That's good Jan, an honest opinion from someone without an agenda

What is the agenda? I don't have one, except to seek out the truth.

[Steve_uk]

He wound people up ?

Or perhaps people embellished what he said ?

Why would Anne be so upset about something that basically was not really any of her business

He was a Walter Mitty character, as Malcolm Deckers described him. A nonentity, who liked to be flash with money to give himself some status. We have all met the type..

[Steve_uk]

Probably again Steve??? You just don't know
He was her only son who she obviously adored
Simple as that

But it's not quite as simple as that is it? It took June decades to accept her children as they were, from the "Devil's child" remark to Sheila's face to trying to control her son's life through arbitrary deadlines over when he had to be back at the Farm, the hours he worked, the salary he would receive. Jeremy blamed her for the break up with Suzette; June had evidently learned nothing because she called her son's next girlfriend a harlot. She threatened to cut him out of her will and leave her estate to the Church, Nevill tied Jeremy to the Farm in his will, and in this the parents signed their own death warrants.

The irony was by the time June had recovered some of her mental faculties and became more accepting it was too late: the damage was irreversible.

[Jan]

But it's not quite as simple as that is it? It took June decades to accept her children as they were, from the "Devil's child" remark to Sheila's face to trying to control her son's life through arbitrary deadlines over when he had to be back at the Farm, the hours he worked, the salary he would receive. Jeremy blamed her for the break up with Suzette; June had evidently learned nothing because she called her son's next girlfriend a harlot. She threatened to cut him out of her will and leave her estate to the Church, Nevill tied Jeremy to the Farm in his will, and in this the parents signed their own death warrants.

The irony was by the time June had recovered some of her mental faculties and became more accepting it was too late: the damage was irreversible.

What is the source for leaving her money to the church ?

[Jane]

But it's not quite as simple as that is it? It took June decades to accept her children as they were, from the "Devil's child" remark to Sheila's face to trying to control her son's life through arbitrary deadlines over when he had to be back at the Farm, the hours he worked, the salary he would receive. Jeremy blamed her for the break up with Suzette; June had evidently learned nothing because she called her son's next girlfriend a harlot. She threatened to cut him out of her will and leave her estate to the Church, Nevill tied Jeremy to the Farm in his will, and in this the parents signed their own death warrants.

The irony was by the time June had recovered some of her mental faculties and became more accepting it was too late: the damage was irreversible.

Absolutely Steve. NOTHING, when it comes to human dynamics, is EVER "simple as that".

[Steve_uk]

That's ridiculous . He was in and out of the house everyday and you know very well about the letter June wrote to be opened in the event of her death .

Try reading statements from people who were actually close to the house hold such as Barbara's first statement .

We don't have this in the archive, but if it's the one about her getting along with Jeremy better than her own son, maybe she saw the way the wind was blowing and attempted sycophancy to keep her job.

[Steve_uk]

What is the source for leaving her money to the church ?

Jeremy discussed it with Julie. It does have the ring of truth..