could jermy have walked to whf.

[Adam]

71. The rifle bore blood smearing on the barrel in the region of the fore-sight and around the mechanism and there were splashes of blood to the left side of the weapon. The appearance of the blood staining was consistent with it having been used to strike somebody who was already bleeding. On analysis the blood was found to be human blood but tests to determine grouping were unsuccessful. A "pull-through" on the barrel of the rifle was conducted for any traces of blood within the weapon. There were none.

[Adam]

34. Subsequent searches of this room revealed Nevill Bamber's blood stained wristwatch under a rug and a piece of broken butt from the rifle on the floor.

[Adam]

The suggestion that Bamber brutally beat Nevill with something other than the rifle, & that this instrument was missed by the police has been dismissed.

Bamber was shooting Nevill with the rifle 30 seconds earlier. So had no time to look for anything else.

[Jan]

But are they the signs of a brutal beating that you are saying happened ?

And the other part of your comment was assumption or do you have a source ?

[susan]

34. Subsequent searches of this room revealed Nevill Bamber's blood stained wristwatch under a rug and a piece of broken butt from the rifle on the floor.

Adam where does it say his rolex wrist watch was stained?

[susan]

42. The examination of Nevill Bamber's body also revealed black eyes and a broken nose, linear bruising to the cheeks, lacerations to the head, linear type bruising to the right forearm, bruising to the left wrist and forearm and three circular burn type marks to the back. The linear marks were consistent with Mr Bamber having been struck with a long blunt object, possibly a gun.

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Have you got a source that the police cleaned the rifle ?

Adam I did not say the police cleaned the rifle I said what would have been the point them doing this also it is now debatable that the linear marks on Neville's back were caused on the night of the murders but personally I think they were and caused by a big lit cigar the type Sheila liked to smoke.

[susan]

People shouldn't have done a lot of things in their lives. She didn't have much choice with the caravan break in. What else could she do at that time, go home ?

The caravan break in supports Julie's WS. Bamber having no interest in the family business or respect for his family. It also showed he wanted money & trusted Julie enough to involve her in his plans & crimes.

Adam you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.  Julie did not have to be involved in the caravan break in.  May have been her idea as she thought they were Bonny & Clyde

[Jan]

But are they the signs of a brutal beating that you are saying happened ?

And the other part of your comment was assumption or do you have a source ?

Are you going to answer the question? A small piece of the gun came off , but where else on the gun is the evidence of a brutal beating ? How do you explain the lack of evidence for what you say happened?


With regards to the break in when my niece went through what she considered to be a bad time with her family she stole money and watches from them and yes wished them dead . But none of that happened and all is fine now so the break in scenario does not automatically prove guilt in any way. . However it could have affected Julie's career as could dealing in drugs and fraud .

Jeremy was well paid had free accommodation and had generous parents and as his mother was in line for an inheritance may have been given money then . He also mentioned about various property investments his parents were going to make so his future seemed assured . Also  we don't know what would have happened if he had changed his mind about working for the family business so that would be assumption nothing more .

[susan]

Are you going to answer the question? A small piece of the gun came off , but where else on the gun is the evidence of a brutal beating ? How do you explain the lack of evidence for what you say happened?


With regards to the break in when my niece went through what she considered to be a bad time with her family she stole money and watches from them and yes wished them dead . But none of that happened and all is fine now so the break in scenario does not automatically prove guilt in any way. . However it could have affected Julie's career as could dealing in drugs and fraud .

Jeremy was well paid had free accommodation and had generous parents and as his mother was in line for an inheritance may have been given money then . He also mentioned about various property investments his parents were going to make so his future seemed assured . Also  we don't know what would have happened if he had changed his mind about working for the family business so that would be assumption nothing more .

Jan I do think it was a bit of the Bonny & Clyde bet they had a good laugh about their escapade one was as bad as the other I am not condoning their actions but it does not make Jeremy a murderer.

[Jane]

Are you going to answer the question? A small piece of the gun came off , but where else on the gun is the evidence of a brutal beating ? How do you explain the lack of evidence for what you say happened?


With regards to the break in when my niece went through what she considered to be a bad time with her family she stole money and watches from them and yes wished them dead . But none of that happened and all is fine now so the break in scenario does not automatically prove guilt in any way. . However it could have affected Julie's career as could dealing in drugs and fraud .

Jeremy was well paid had free accommodation and had generous parents and as his mother was in line for an inheritance may have been given money then . He also mentioned about various property investments his parents were going to make so his future seemed assured . Also  we don't know what would have happened if he had changed his mind about working for the family business so that would be assumption nothing more .

I think you maybe taking much of what Jeremy said very much at face value. As you had a similar situation with a niece, so did I with a boyfriend. He had a background very similar to Jeremy's, equally wealthy, public school education. He dressed it, he spoke it, he lived it. It was all real, well, ALMOST real. Like Jeremy, he had his own house, albeit, bought for him by his parents but entailed to his nieces so he couldn't sell it. Like Jeremy he did mainly work which didn't require much intellectual input but it kept him fairly comfortably, relative to his peer group, in pocket money. Like Jeremy he was always talking about money he had invested and money he was going to inherit along with the generous allowance made him by his parents. It COULD all have been true...................but it wasn't. Certainly there was money, but none, which wasn't strictly limited, was ever going to come his way because his parents knew he wasn't to be trusted. I think it's quite telling that Jeremy's future appeared to be tied up in such a way that he was certainly going to have to be tied to the farm and prove his worth before he qualified for his inheritance.

[Jan]

I think you maybe taking much of what Jeremy said very much at face value. As you had a similar situation with a niece, so did I with a boyfriend. He had a background very similar to Jeremy's, equally wealthy, public school education. He dressed it, he spoke it, he lived it. It was all real, well, ALMOST real. Like Jeremy, he had his own house, albeit, bought for him by his parents but entailed to his nieces so he couldn't sell it. Like Jeremy he did mainly work which didn't require much intellectual input but it kept him fairly comfortably, relative to his peer group, in pocket money. Like Jeremy he was always talking about money he had invested and money he was going to inherit along with the generous allowance made him by his parents. It COULD all have been true...................but it wasn't. Certainly there was money, but none, which wasn't strictly limited, was ever going to come his way because his parents knew he wasn't to be trusted. I think it's quite telling that Jeremy's future appeared to be tied up in such a way that he was certainly going to have to be tied to the farm and prove his worth before he qualified for his inheritance.

Was the caravan not quite a successful business even then? He was involved in that as well so his eggs were not all in one basket so to speak ( excuse the pun)  and he was not only just involved in the management . So I have been informed by someone who knew him .

[Steve_uk]

I think you maybe taking much of what Jeremy said very much at face value. As you had a similar situation with a niece, so did I with a boyfriend. He had a background very similar to Jeremy's, equally wealthy, public school education. He dressed it, he spoke it, he lived it. It was all real, well, ALMOST real. Like Jeremy, he had his own house, albeit, bought for him by his parents but entailed to his nieces so he couldn't sell it. Like Jeremy he did mainly work which didn't require much intellectual input but it kept him fairly comfortably, relative to his peer group, in pocket money. Like Jeremy he was always talking about money he had invested and money he was going to inherit along with the generous allowance made him by his parents. It COULD all have been true...................but it wasn't. Certainly there was money, but none, which wasn't strictly limited, was ever going to come his way because his parents knew he wasn't to be trusted. I think it's quite telling that Jeremy's future appeared to be tied up in such a way that he was certainly going to have to be tied to the farm and prove his worth before he qualified for his inheritance.

A remark of Ann Eaton struck me that Jeremy told her his parents had had an offer from the Henry Smith trustees (or was it an outside body?) to buy them out: wouldn't this have been a solution to everyone's woes? Nevill couldn't go on working forever and let's face it they had already made their money. June offered to buy Sheila an antiques shop in the locality but no similar offer was made to Jeremy-a wine bar for instance and not the busman's holiday of a piece of land adjoining Little Rentners Farm.

[Steve_uk]

Was the caravan not quite a successful business even then? He was involved in that as well so his eggs were not all in one basket so to speak ( excuse the pun)  and he was not only just involved in the management . So I have been informed by someone who knew him .

I get the feeling that the Eatons guarded the caravan park jealously and Jeremy was crowded out, hence the resentment which led to the burglary. I would have thought managing the park was a softer option than the daily grind of tilling the soil at the White House.

[Jane]

Was the caravan not quite a successful business even then? He was involved in that as well so his eggs were not all in one basket so to speak ( excuse the pun)  and he was not only just involved in the management . So I have been informed by someone who knew him .

Yes, it may have been, but success and wealth are relative. I ask no more than that I have enough to live comfortably. That might sound extravagant to some. To others it may sound as if I'm living in poverty. You talk about how much Jeremy had. It rather seems to me as if he was more focused on what he thought he didn't have.

[Jan]

I get the feeling that the Eatons guarded the caravan park jealously and Jeremy was crowded out, hence the resentment which led to the burglary. I would have thought managing the park was a softer option than the daily grind of tilling the soil at the White House.

Not according to the person I have been speaking to .

But also the conversation he made to Anne when she got upset and ripped off wallpaper seemed to indicate he was quite excited about what his parents were planning .