could jermy have walked to whf.

[susan]

Perfectly clean front of hands on Sheila.   

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila. 

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected.

Well manicured nails on Sheila. 

No broken nails.

Nails in tact.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers. 

No blood on finger tips.

No dirt on finger tips.

No powder on finger tips.

No trace of any lead dust coating on fingers.

No traces of the lubricant on fingers from re loading twice.

Very clean feet in comparison to June.

Feet free from major blood staining.

No debris such as sugar on feet

No mention of foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight.

No injuries in photos to neck, shoulders, legs, arms & face.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress.

No presence of firearm residue on Sheila.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself.

Nevill being bare footed in pyjamas as if just got up.

Sheila being bare footed in pyjamas as if just got up.

Paint in silencer.

Blood in silencer.

No blood in the rifle end.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot as suggested by expert.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible.

Effects of Haloperidol.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre.

Sheila under sedation.

Easy window entrance into WHF.

Shutting kitchen window from outside. 20 sources. 

No alternative murder weapon options.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell.

Items around the kitchen window being moved. 

Easy bike route to WHF.

Bike at Bamber's cottage.

June not waking/getting shot in bed.

Nevill's back burns.

2012 CCRC court judgement.

The twins not waking.

Bamber's huge advantages over Sheila in a kitchen fight.

Bamber's call to the police rounding suspects to two.

Nevill's injuries. 

Sheila's time limits.

No valid Sheila scenario.

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Not sure how long you are going to keep ignoring the released evidence.

I know Roch told you he saw evidence in March 2017 although he did not tell either of us whether it was with Bamber's legal team. However juries & courts need to go on published evidence.

Adam Vanezis said on the day of the Autopsy that Sheila's palms were bloodied.  The sugar was knocked off the table by the raid team and also it is my opinion a huge fight in the kitchen did not take place I know the stock was broken but no blood or tissue or hair was found on the end of the rifle.  Sorry forgot all the other points but I am sure Jan covered them.  Off to get the hens in now.

[Jan]

You have to wonder why the rifle was so clean if used to batter Neville ? If Jeremy was making it look like Sheila had gone mad why would he wipe it down ? After all he had no need to remove his own prints ?


Very few prints  not much blood and no sign of fibres from gloves .


It's strange .

[Jan]

Also the police handled the gun to make it safe ? Were their prints on it?

[Steve_uk]

You have to wonder why the rifle was so clean if used to batter Neville ? If Jeremy was making it look like Sheila had gone mad why would he wipe it down ? After all he had no need to remove his own prints ?


Very few prints  not much blood and no sign of fibres from gloves .


It's strange .

I think he thought they might mask Sheila's, which he wanted to be more prominent.

[Jan]

I think he thought they might mask Sheila's, which he wanted to be more prominent.

But don't you think if Neville was beaten with the rifle wiping off the blood would be detrimental to the scene he was setting.?

[David1819]

Perfectly clean front of hands on Sheila.   

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila. 

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected.

Well manicured nails on Sheila. 

No broken nails.

Nails in tact.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers. 

No blood on finger tips.

No dirt on finger tips.

No powder on finger tips.

No trace of any lead dust coating on fingers.

No traces of the lubricant on fingers from re loading twice.

Very clean feet in comparison to June.

Feet free from major blood staining.

No debris such as sugar on feet

No mention of foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight.

No injuries in photos to neck, shoulders, legs, arms & face.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress.

No presence of firearm residue on Sheila.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself.

Nevill being bare footed in pyjamas as if just got up.

Sheila being bare footed in pyjamas as if just got up.

Paint in silencer.

Blood in silencer.

No blood in the rifle end.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot as suggested by expert.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible.

Effects of Haloperidol.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre.

Sheila under sedation.

Easy window entrance into WHF.

Shutting kitchen window from outside. 20 sources. 

No alternative murder weapon options.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell.

Items around the kitchen window being moved. 

Easy bike route to WHF.

Bike at Bamber's cottage.

June not waking/getting shot in bed.

Nevill's back burns.

2012 CCRC court judgement.

The twins not waking.

Bamber's huge advantages over Sheila in a kitchen fight.

Bamber's call to the police rounding suspects to two.

Nevill's injuries. 

Sheila's time limits.

No valid Sheila scenario.

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Not sure how long you are going to keep ignoring the released evidence.

I know Roch told you he saw evidence in March 2017 although he did not tell either of us whether it was with Bamber's legal team. However juries & courts need to go on published evidence.

 The Gish Gallop has been launched!

[Steve_uk]

But don't you think if Neville was beaten with the rifle wiping off the blood would be detrimental to the scene he was setting.?

I don't think he'd killed Sheila by that stage though. As he told Julie he (or Matthew) had had a mental blank and attacked him in a frenzy. One can never prepare for killing in the raw however much one theorizes beforehand. It's written all over the faces of David Bain and Mark Lundy. Maybe Jeremy was more stoical..

[Steve_uk]

Also the police handled the gun to make it safe ? Were their prints on it?

They didn't wear gloves but said they removed it in a professional manner.

[susan]

Jan if Neville had been beaten with the rifle what would have been the point of EP cleaning all traces of blood and tissue from it.

[Jan]

Jan if Neville had been beaten with the rifle what would have been the point of EP cleaning all traces of blood and tissue from it.

No idea

It all just seems a bit odd .

There are things that don't add up whoever wAs responsible

[Adam]

Jan if Neville had been beaten with the rifle what would have been the point of EP cleaning all traces of blood and tissue from it.

42. The examination of Nevill Bamber's body also revealed black eyes and a broken nose, linear bruising to the cheeks, lacerations to the head, linear type bruising to the right forearm, bruising to the left wrist and forearm and three circular burn type marks to the back. The linear marks were consistent with Mr Bamber having been struck with a long blunt object, possibly a gun.

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Have you got a source that the police cleaned the rifle ?

[Jan]

42. The examination of Nevill Bamber's body also revealed black eyes and a broken nose, linear bruising to the cheeks, lacerations to the head, linear type bruising to the right forearm, bruising to the left wrist and forearm and three circular burn type marks to the back. The linear marks were consistent with Mr Bamber having been struck with a long blunt object, possibly a gun.

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Have you got a source that the police cleaned the rifle ?

Possibly a gun? So if it was something else is that another piece of evidence the police missed ?


Where did I say the police DID a clean the gun?

Stop twisting words  I said it seems odd , what's wrong with that ?

[Adam]

She shouldn't have gone along with him in the robbery. She shouldn't have sold cannabis at Goldsmiths. Maybe had she not done these things Jeremy might have had second thoughts on the real tragedy.

People shouldn't have done a lot of things in their lives. She didn't have much choice with the caravan break in. What else could she do at that time, go home ?

The caravan break in supports Julie's WS. Bamber having no interest in the family business or respect for his family. It also showed he wanted money & trusted Julie enough to involve her in his plans & crimes.

[Adam]

Possibly a gun? So if it was something else is that another piece of evidence the police missed ?


Where did I say the police DID a clean the gun?

Stop twisting words  I said it seems odd , what's wrong with that ?

Stop getting things wrong. My post was to Susan. I have had to report you again.

Why would Bamber hit Nevill with something else ? He was holding a rifle seconds earlier when shooting Nevill 4 times. 

Stop trying to make up missing evidence.

[Jan]

Stop getting things wrong. My post was to Susan. I have had to report you again.

Why would Bamber hit Nevill with something else ? He was holding a rifle seconds earlier when shooting Nevill 4 times. 

Stop trying to make up missing evidence.

Susan did not say the police cleaned the gun so why ask her for a source ? So you stop getting things wrong .

And you have too much time on your hands if you are going to report me for that .


And you were the one who posted a quote saying possibly the gun? So if it was only possible not definite then sure that implicates it could have been something else?