Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[guest2181]

From the floor? Does blood behave like that on material? That's why it's a pity we can't see underneath the Bible.

No, I mean there's a single flow of blood from the wound running down, then it expands to a larger blood stain. It may be that Sheila's arm was bent (as she had her wrist against her neck) and the blood pooled between her arm and body, soaking in to the nightdress, producing a stain over a larger area.

[Kaldin]

No, I mean there's a single flow of blood from the wound running down, then it expands to a larger blood stain. It may be that Sheila's arm was bent (as she had her wrist against her neck) and the blood pooled between her arm and body, soaking in to the nightdress, producing a stain over a larger area.

But the blood from both wounds is running to her right - how did it change direction and run down her nightdress?

[guest2181]

But the blood from both wounds is running to her right - how did it change direction and run down her nightdress?

I'm not sure I follow. I think one wound is down her nightdress and in to the crook of her bent arm (whilst sitting up). The second wound is when she is laid flat and the blood flows sideways towards her armpit.

[Kaldin]

I'm not sure I follow. I think one wound is down her nightdress and in to the crook of her bent arm (whilst sitting up). The second wound is when she is laid flat and the blood flows sideways towards her armpit.

In the photos it appears to me that the blood from the first wound is not going towards her armpit, it appears to be going to the side of her neck heading towards the carpet.

[guest2181]

In the photos it appears to me that the blood from the first wound is not going towards her armpit, it appears to be going to the side of her neck heading towards the carpet.

Have you read McDonnell's theory regarding the blood stains?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,264.0.html

[lookout]

Sheila would obviously have moved her head after the first shot because of different blood flows while she'd been just about alive,but that second shot was done after death and more or less followed the first shot in succession.

[Roch]

He talked about them but no one else did - certainly not Vanezis.

To some extent I stand corrected and must apologise.

He does not mention the wounds to her legs (and therefore did not describe them as 'defence wounds').

He mentions some blood tracks on her upper neck but does not elaborate any further nor describe her lower neck.

He attributes her black eye to the path of a bullet. 

He omits any mention of the chin wound.

 

[Roch]

In the photos it appears to me that the blood from the first wound is not going towards her armpit, it appears to be going to the side of her neck heading towards the carpet.

What needs to be worked out is how the blood from her first wound landed on the underside of her wrist and then separated in to four separate streams, three of which ended in very distinctive spots of coagulated blood.  It's the opposite of the question I asked you the other day - when you expressed something along the lines of 'I see what you mean... maybe her head rolled forward'.

[lookout]

It's the second wound that mystifies me.
Because of the rifle's semi-automatic status,could it mean that depressing the trigger twice emits two bullets consecutively within seconds of each other ?

[guest2181]

It's the second wound that mystifies me.
Because of the rifle's semi-automatic status,could it mean that depressing the trigger twice emits two bullets consecutively within seconds of each other ?

Yes, that is exactly how it works. A trigger pull for each shot, without having to manually chamber or eject.

[Kaldin]

Have you read McDonnell's theory regarding the blood stains?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,264.0.html

Interesting - thank you. I still don't see how blood could run down her nightdress if her hand had been up near her throat.

[lookout]

Yes, that is exactly how it works. A trigger pull for each shot, without having to manually chamber or eject.

That's the answer then ? That's how it happened.

[Kaldin]

What needs to be worked out is how the blood from her first wound landed on the underside of her wrist and then separated in to four separate streams, three of which ended in very distinctive spots of coagulated blood.  It's the opposite of the question I asked you the other day - when you expressed something along the lines of 'I see what you mean... maybe her head rolled forward'.

I still think that those trails of blood are from drips and not from injuries, and could have been dropped on her arm when she shot herself the first time whilst sitting up. However, I do think that she fell backwards quickly after the first shot (because of the direction of the blood coming from her neck) so there may well not have been time for the blood to have dripped on her arm in that manner. In fact, those trails of blood are a real mystery to me. If Jeremy shot her, the same question applies - how did the blood get there?

[Roch]

I still think that those trails of blood are from drips and not from injuries, and could have been dropped on her arm when she shot herself the first time whilst sitting up. However, I do think that she fell backwards quickly after the first shot (because of the direction of the blood coming from her neck) so there may well not have been time for the blood to have dripped on her arm in that manner. In fact, those trails of blood are a real mystery to me. If Jeremy shot her, the same question applies - how did the blood get there?

Vanezis disagrees with you.  He favours blood from her neck wound falling upon the underside of her wrist and then branching off in to four separate streams; three of which end in a coagulation that travels no further. 

[Kaldin]

Vanezis disagrees with you.  He favours blood from her neck wound falling upon the underside of her wrist and then branching off in to four separate streams; three of which end in a coagulation that travels no further.

It's such a pity we can't see the underside of those trails of blood? If he says that, how does he disagree with me?