Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[Caroline]

I know Hartley but I am talking about the wounds Roch talked about.

He talked about them but no one else did - certainly not Vanezis.

[Kaldin]

What bothers me is that there is absolutely no sign of Sheila having moved between the two shots. I don't know how much time there was between shots, but if Jeremy did it wouldn't he wait a bit after the first shot to see if she died? Surely her instinct would have been to put her hands to her throat after the first shot, but there's no sign that she did that. Alternatively, surely she would have put her hands on the gun to push it away, but there were no fingerprints to suggest she did that. He might have wiped them off I suppose.

[Caroline]

What bothers me is that there is absolutely no sign of Sheila having moved between the two shots. I don't know how much time there was between shots, but if Jeremy did it wouldn't he wait a bit after the first shot to see if she died? Surely her instinct would have been to put her hands to her throat after the first shot, but there's no sign that she did that. Alternatively, surely she would have put her hands on the gun to push it away, but there were no fingerprints to suggest she did that. He might have wiped them off I suppose.

The second shot may have been accidental - I agree that it doesn't look as though she moved after the first shot. You would expect to see expirated blood around her mouth where she has spluttered but there is nothing.

[Kaldin]

The second shot may have been accidental - I agree that it doesn't look as though she moved after the first shot. You would expect to see expirated blood around her mouth where she has spluttered but there is nothing.

Yes, there's just no sign of any movement from Sheila between the shots at all, not even any indication that she slumped at all and no sign of any spluttering - just nothing. For someone who's been shot, or shot herself, twice, the blood flow is remarkably "tidy".

[lookout]

Which would indicate that she'd been dead before the second shot was administered-----no pumping blood from the main vein.

[Kaldin]

Which would indicate that she'd been dead before the second shot was administered-----no pumping blood from the main vein.

There is blood which came from the first wound though. We can't see the full extent of it because of the Bible.

[guest2181]

Which would indicate that she'd been dead before the second shot was administered-----no pumping blood from the main vein.

She was sitting up for the first shot. Raised her wrist to her neck, then blood flowed down from her neck and down her wrist.

She was laid flat for the second shot, blood from her mouth only flows to the sides.

[Kaldin]

It has.  The wounds have nothing to do with Sheila's (alleged) final resting position. They were incurred earlier, during a mortal struggle with an opponent.  The streams of blood are actually thin and would have quickly began to dry (I have described them as appearing 'dappled' in higher-def images).

If the trails of blood were from an injury incurred earlier they would not be so tidy - the blood would have gone in different directions and would probably have been smudged.

[Kaldin]

She was sitting up for the first shot. Raised her wrist to her neck, then blood flowed down from her neck and down her wrist.

She was laid flat for the second shot, blood from her mouth only flows to the sides.

Yes, the blood from both wounds goes to the side, so if she was sitting up for the first shot she must have fallen back very quickly with her neck going slightly to the right. I'm very puzzled by the blood on her nightdress - I can't see how the blood went in that direction.

[Jane]

Yes, there's just no sign of any movement from Sheila between the shots at all, not even any indication that she slumped at all and no sign of any spluttering - just nothing. For someone who's been shot, or shot herself, twice, the blood flow is remarkably "tidy".

And yet we've been fed stories of how the police shot her in the kitchen -after she'd played dead when she heard them coming in, as they reported seeing a female body- then accidentally lost her when she made her way upstairs, and accidentally shot her again whilst she was on the bed receiving CPR!!!!!

[guest2181]

Yes, the blood from both wounds goes to the side, so if she was sitting up for the first shot she must have fallen back very quickly with her neck going slightly to the right. I'm very puzzled by the blood on her nightdress - I can't see how the blood went in that direction.

Where do you mean, the blood near her shoulder, or down near her hand?

[Kaldin]

Where do you mean, the blood near her shoulder, or down near her hand?

On her nightdress - there's a large stain where it got soaked with blood. I would expect the blood to continue running down to the right of her neck, not down her nightdress. There's a small gap towards the top of the nightdress where there's no blood. Perhaps it's the camera angle which is confusing me.

[guest2181]

On her nightdress - there's a large stain where it got soaked with blood. I would expect the blood to continue running down to the right of her neck, not down her nightdress. There's a small gap towards the top of the nightdress where there's no blood. Perhaps it's the camera angle which is confusing me.

I'm not sure  maybe it soaked in to the nightdress rather than actually flowed over that area.

[Kaldin]

I'm not sure  maybe it soaked in to the nightdress rather than actually flowed over that area.

From the floor? Does blood behave like that on material? That's why it's a pity we can't see underneath the Bible.

[lookout]

There is blood which came from the first wound though. We can't see the full extent of it because of the Bible.

The first wound would not have produced the same volume of blood which a main vein would------if she'd been alive after the second shot. Blood pumps rapidly from the jugular,but there's certainly no sign of that.