Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[lookout]

If June had been standing near Sheila, and Sheila had taken a final shot at her, June would have ended up nearer the window. She couldn't have been hurled backwards and ended up near the door because the bed was in the way.

In the pic of June lying on the floor,the bed is clear of the door.

[maggie]

If June had been standing near Sheila, and Sheila had taken a final shot at her, June would have ended up nearer the window. She couldn't have been hurled backwards and ended up near the door because the bed was in the way.

Anyway, would a .22 hurl someone that far backwards? Maybe a shot gun but I would question a .22 rifle would have that effect.

[Kaldin]

In the pic of June lying on the floor,the bed is clear of the door.

Yes, but the bed is still in between Sheila and June.

[Roch]

I think June passed out/collpased after walking round for half a dozen or seconds after being shot. The subsequent shots were probably overkill.

June had a number of wounds upon her legs.  Curved cuts, quite pronounced.  It is also possible that her head was thrust backwards (for example by a hand / fingernails / thumbnail).  She had a nasty gash to her chin and marks across her throat: where blood collected and the skin was broken in places.  As is already known, June also had a black eye which (rightly or wrongly) was not attributed to a fight. 

[maggie]

June had a number of wounds upon her legs.  Curved cuts, quite pronounced.  It is also possible that her head was thrust backwards (for example by a hand / fingernails / thumbnail).  She had a nasty gash to her chin and marks across her throat: where blood collected and the skin was broken in places.  As is already known, June also had a black eye which (rightly or wrongly) was not attributed to a fight.

I do wonder what caused those wounds to June's legs, curved cuts make it possible they were nail marks.  The only reason I can think of is that at some point someone attacked June by pulling at her legs.

[guest2181]

I do wonder what caused those wounds to June's legs, curved cuts make it possible they were nail marks.  The only reason I can think of is that at some point someone attacked June by pulling at her legs.

There's no mention of them in the PM report.

[Roch]

There's no mention of them in the PM report.

I think they are expressed as 'defence wounds', somewhere within Vanezis' testimony. Not sure where. Will check tomorrow.

[lookout]

Yes and I'm pretty sure that Jeremy wouldn't have escaped defence wounds had he have been the murderer.

[Roch]

I do wonder what caused those wounds to June's legs, curved cuts make it possible they were nail marks.  The only reason I can think of is that at some point someone attacked June by pulling at her legs.

I could be mistaken but I think the cuts are bigger than fingernail size.

[guest2181]

I think they are expressed as 'defence wounds', somewhere within Vanezis' testimony. Not sure where. Will check tomorrow.

I think you are mistaken. There is a bullet wound (No 7) to June's leg which he suggests may have been caused when she raised it defensively. That's all there is.

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[guest2181]

He also shows the jury an image of Sheila's right arm with all the blood washed off.

[Caroline]

June had a number of wounds upon her legs.  Curved cuts, quite pronounced.  It is also possible that her head was thrust backwards (for example by a hand / fingernails / thumbnail).  She had a nasty gash to her chin and marks across her throat: where blood collected and the skin was broken in places.  As is already known, June also had a black eye which (rightly or wrongly) was not attributed to a fight.

Where are you getting this from Roch? Again, Venezis makes no mention of any such marks.

[maggie]

I could be mistaken but I think the cuts are bigger than fingernail size.

I cannot think what would make crescent shaped cuts in such a scenario apart from nails.  Any ideas yourself?

[guest2181]

I cannot think what would make crescent shaped cuts in such a scenario apart from ails.  Any ideas yourself?

This is now June he is taking about?

I haven't seen what you refer to, but Vanesiz describes blood staining and a bullet wound.

[maggie]

This is now June he is taking about?

I haven't seen what you refer to, but Vanesiz describes blood staining and a bullet wound.

I know Hartley but I am talking about the wounds Roch talked about.