Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[Jan]

Begged? Where is that recorded?

Ambulances on standby in a siege situation - now why on earth is that odd?

Concerned or just eager?

It would not have been odd if the ambulances had been called right at the beginning when Jeremy so calculatingly set up an intricate and extremely clever scene which apparently had every base covered and was based on every officer doing his bidding .

[Jane]

Yes ambulances called as well.


And Jeremy begged them to go into the house . Which could have meant the time of death would have been more apparent .

So he seemed more concerned than they did .

Surely, if, after all that time they'd spent there, it was deemed, for no obvious reason, it had turned into a siege situation, I'd have thought ambulances, given the number of people in the house, were de rigour.

[Jane]

It would not have been odd if the ambulances had been called right at the beginning when Jeremy so calculatingly set up an intricate and extremely clever scene which apparently had every base covered and was based on every officer doing his bidding .

Well, I guess these things take time. Maybe it took time to get the message across? Bases can only be covered on a personal level. None of us are responsible for the thought processes of others. Police have to be used to people in panic mode and perhaps overstressing danger. It seems that, at the beginning, it wasn't considered to be a siege situation. Despite that nothing untoward appeared to have been witnessed or heard, something -someone?- tipped the balance.

[mike tesko]

No Mike, I think that the guilty camp agree with part of your theory, Sheila did not shoot herself, someone else did.  So we have some common ground between us.

Yes, Sheila did not physically shoot herself, but I know cops put the first shooting of herself in the kitchen down to her weilding the muzzle of the officers weapon in toward her own neck, and reported her death at that stage as 'a suicide' (she only having been shot once)...

She still only had that one shot when the police surgeon, Dr Craig pronounced her as being dead without a physical examination at 8.44am, and at around 9.10am when DS 'Stan' Jones, and DC 'Mick' Clarke saw Sheila's body on top of the bed, with the rifle on the bed inbetween both bodies, and a bible on Sheila's chest!

At 9.13am, according to the training manuscript kept by ACC Simpson in his office safe, together with 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', containing 581 photographs, Sheila received the second fatal shot, unknowingly, and was killed by a shot (PV/19) from the family owned anshuzt rifle which cops had offerred to her body during the performance of 'informatives'. When PI 'Bob' Miller viewed Sheila's body on the far side of the bed after 9.30am, the rifle was at the right side of her body (according to his notebook entry), but how can this possibly have been true if at 9.13am Sheila's body had already been moved from the bed to the bedroom floor? And, if as the 'guilters' believe her body had been on the bedroom floor at all times, undisturbed?

Something is dramatically wrong here with the way different cops are describing where the body of Sheila Caffell was found and where it was at different stages of the proceedings! They can't even agree amongst themselves whether at one time or another, the anshuzt rifle was resting at a first floor box room window, or at the main bedroom window, or on the bed inbetween the bodies of Sheila and June, or by Sheila's right side, or on Sheila's body with its barrel resting against the left side of her neck, or on her body in different positions! They can't agree whether the rifle was off the body, or on the body!Similarly, the cops can't agree whether the bible was on top of Sheila's chest when her body was laid on top of the bed, or whether it was always on the floor by her upper right arm? Cops can't even agree whether her body was found downstairs in the kitchen upon entry as per the contemporaneously recorded police radio message logs, or upstairs on the far side of the bed (as viewed from the vantage point of the main bedroom door at the top of the main stairs), whether her body was on the bed alongside the body of June Bamber, or whether her body was on the main bedroom floor? These descrepancies cannot be put down to basic errors! Something far more sinister has occurred here, and cops have attempted to cover their trail!

But, I am right there in their faces, reconstructing what these vile evil monsters in uniform did and have down, aided and abbetted by their CPS counterparts, and a corrupted Criminal Justice System they all profess to serve!

[mike tesko]

Yes, Sheila did not physically shoot herself, but I know cops put the first shooting of herself in the kitchen down to her weilding the muzzle of the officers weapon in toward her own neck, and reported her death at that stage as 'a suicide' (she only having been shot once)...

She still only had that one shot when the police surgeon, Dr Craig pronounced her as being dead without a physical examination at 8.44am, and at around 9.10am when DS 'Stan' Jones, and DC 'Mick' Clarke saw Sheila's body on top of the bed, with the rifle on the bed inbetween both bodies, and a bible on Sheila's chest!

At 9.13am, according to the training manuscript kept by ACC Simpson in his office safe, together with 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM', containing 581 photographs, Sheila received the second fatal shot, unknowingly, and was killed by a shot (PV/19) from the family owned anshuzt rifle which cops had offerred to her body during the performance of 'informatives'. When PI 'Bob' Miller viewed Sheila's body on the far side of the bed after 9.30am, the rifle was at the right side of her body (according to his notebook entry), but how can this possibly have been true if at 9.13am Sheila's body had already been moved from the bed to the bedroom floor? And, if as the 'guilters' believe her body had been on the bedroom floor at all times, undisturbed?

Something is dramatically wrong here with the way different cops are describing where the body of Sheila Caffell was found and where it was at different stages of the proceedings! They can't even agree amongst themselves whether at one time or another, the anshuzt rifle was resting at a first floor box room window, or at the main bedroom window, or on the bed inbetween the bodies of Sheila and June, or by Sheila's right side, or on Sheila's body with its barrel resting against the left side of her neck, or on her body in different positions! They can't agree whether the rifle was off the body, or on the body!Similarly, the cops can't agree whether the bible was on top of Sheila's chest when her body was laid on top of the bed, or whether it was always on the floor by her upper right arm? Cops can't even agree whether her body was found downstairs in the kitchen upon entry as per the contemporaneously recorded police radio message logs, or upstairs on the far side of the bed (as viewed from the vantage point of the main bedroom door at the top of the main stairs), whether her body was on the bed alongside the body of June Bamber, or whether her body was on the main bedroom floor? These descrepancies cannot be put down to basic errors! Something far more sinister has occurred here, and cops have attempted to cover their trail!

But, I am right there in their faces, reconstructing what these vile evil monsters in uniform did and have down, aided and abbetted by their CPS counterparts, and a corrupted Criminal Justice System they all profess to serve!

The contents of the police radio message logs, are accurate! The contents were recorded contemporaneously, with little or no room or no time for cops to get their heads together or to fabricate the events! By 8.10am, there were onloy three bodies upstairs, June Bambers and her two grandchildren! The other two bodies were downstairs in the kitchen! The logs don't lie, but the contents of fabricated witness statements do!

[mike tesko]

The contents of the police radio logs, are a true account of the messages passed from one cop to another, one place to another, and should be treated with respect, in much the same way a tachograph is treated where a heavy goods vehicle falls under investigation during an accident (the driver of such a viehicle cannot fake the recorded information, involving speed, distance, braking, and time)! Everything supports Jeremy Bamber being in the clear over the killing of his sister and the staging of her body!

[mike tesko]

The contents of the police radio logs, are a true account of the messages passed from one cop to another, one place to another, and should be treated with respect, in much the same way a tachograph is treated where a heavy goods vehicle falls under investigation during an accident (the driver of such a viehicle cannot fake the recorded information, involving speed, distance, braking, and time)! Everything supports Jeremy Bamber being in the clear over the killing of his sister and the staging of her body!

This is because cops knew Sheila Caffell was alive when they entered the farmhouse, they know she got shot in the kitchen by one of their own officers, they know her body ended up on the bed in the main bedroom, they know she had only been shot just the once by that stage, they know that her body was moved to the bedroom floor from the bed, and they know that she got shot a second time after they had moved her body to the bedroom floor from the bed! They know senior officers staged her death scene on the floor, and they know the crime scene in that main bedroom was stage managed like a theatre production so as to present Sheila Caffells death as a suicide where she supposedly shot herself twice with the family owned anshuzt rifle! But the truth is that Sheila was 'unarmed' on both the occasions she was shot by the cops! The cops themselves must think they are culpable for her death otherwise they would not have sought to cover the matter up like they have!

[mike tesko]

This is because cops knew Sheila Caffell was alive when they entered the farmhouse, they know she got shot in the kitchen by one of their own officers, they know her body ended up on the bed in the main bedroom, they know she had only been shot just the once by that stage, they know that her body was moved to the bedroom floor from the bed, and they know that she got shot a second time after they had moved her body to the bedroom floor from the bed! They know senior officers staged her death scene on the floor, and they know the crime scene in that main bedroom was stage managed like a theatre production so as to present Sheila Caffells death as a suicide where she supposedly shot herself twice with the family owned anshuzt rifle! But the truth is that Sheila was 'unarmed' on both the occasions she was shot by the cops! The cops themselves must think they are culpable for her death otherwise they would not have sought to cover the matter up like they have!

Jeremy Bamber did not kill his sister, he did not shoot her dead! He did not stage his sisters death scene on the main bedroom floor! I know this with 100% certainty!

And so do the cops, the CPS, and the CCRC!!

[mike tesko]

Cops didn't have time to fabricate the contents of the contemporaneously recorded police radio message logs! This is what is so significant about their contents! Cops couldn't foresee what was going to happen next after the three bodies were reported found upstairs at 8.10am, with the other two bodies downstairs in the kitchen, from 7.35am, onwards..!

[Caroline]

It would not have been odd if the ambulances had been called right at the beginning when Jeremy so calculatingly set up an intricate and extremely clever scene which apparently had every base covered and was based on every officer doing his bidding .

Yes it would because no one had any idea about what had happened at that point. Jeremy wasn't clever - he got caught. None of the officers did his bidding, they acted on 'information received' which is all they could have done at that point.

[Caroline]

Odd so at 5.45 when there had been NOT a sound and NO movement why was an officer told this.

Why is that odd? Interesting that he also indicates that challengers to the house were 'met with no response'.

[Jan]

Yes it would because no one had any idea about what had happened at that point. Jeremy wasn't clever - he got caught. None of the officers did his bidding, they acted on 'information received' which is all they could have done at that point.

Only caught because of the relatives allegedly .

And I thought Jeremy set up everything the timing of the call the guns in the house etc etc so they would discover the bodies at a later time ? So they were doing his bidding were they not ? Waiting outside  ?

I thought that was the whole point of the plan to control the police to discover everything exactly when he wanted them to?

But he never said anyone had been shot ? Or was held hostage ?

[Caroline]

Only caught because of the relatives allegedly .

And I thought Jeremy set up everything the timing of the call the guns in the house etc etc so they would discover the bodies at a later time ? So they were doing his bidding were they not ? Waiting outside  ?

I thought that was the whole point of the plan to control the police to discover everything exactly when he wanted them to?

But he never said anyone had been shot ? Or was held hostage ?

No, they were acting on information received. Were they supposed to turn up and disregard anything the only witness told them? Storm into WHF half cocked and risk a crazy Sheila not only killing the family, but risking their own officers in the process?

Jeremy worked out his plan and executed it - it's hardly criminal genius because he was caught. Perhaps he should have kept his plan to himself and we wouldn't be discussing it now?

He didn't have to say anyone had been shot - 'crazy and gun' would be enough to proceed with caution.

[susan]

Only caught because of the relatives allegedly .

And I thought Jeremy set up everything the timing of the call the guns in the house etc etc so they would discover the bodies at a later time ? So they were doing his bidding were they not ? Waiting outside  ?

I thought that was the whole point of the plan to control the police to discover everything exactly when he wanted them to?

But he never said anyone had been shot ? Or was held hostage ?

Jan

IMO Jeremy was not clever he did not act the part out as a guilty man would he acted like a silly young man because he knew he was innocent if only he had known.  Julie acted her part out well in Court.

[David1819]

Jan

IMO Jeremy was not clever he did not act the part out as a guilty man would he acted like a silly young man because he knew he was innocent if only he had known.  Julie acted her part out well in Court.

How so? She more or less stood there covering her face protending to cry whenever she was cross examined.