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Offline lookout

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #90 on: July 11, 2017, 08:02:PM »
How would it run from her hand/s if it had been said that they were clean ? How could it form that " pattern " if it ran from her hands anyway ?

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #91 on: July 11, 2017, 08:40:PM »
How would it run from her hand/s if it had been said that they were clean ? How could it form that " pattern " if it ran from her hands anyway ?

It's just trails Lookout, not a replication of the Sistine Chapel ceiling.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #92 on: July 11, 2017, 08:46:PM »
It's just trails Lookout, not a replication of the Sistine Chapel ceiling.

So her arm is up and one trail runs down and then round her arms in several trails ?

That is a bit of an assumption without seeing the other side of her arm ?

Perhaps the Sistine chapel is tattooed n the other side?

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #93 on: July 11, 2017, 09:36:PM »
I think the trails are from her hand. I think Bamber made the palm print on the bible from blood on her hand, placed the bible on her lap leaving the stain of bloodied finger marks on her nightdress, which ended in a straight line (because of the bible). I think it thought it looked too staged and he wouldn't have been able to stage the rifle. I think he changed his mind and put the bible on the floor - upturned.

That would mean her palm was bloodstained - according to prosecution, it was not.  Also doesn't explain why he placed the bible over a large distinctive bloodstain on the carpet. 

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #94 on: July 11, 2017, 09:39:PM »
No more blood pumping the trail have to end somewhere.

Surely that would mean the trail would fade away? Here it has thickened in a specific area. Literally stopped in its tracks.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #95 on: July 11, 2017, 09:47:PM »
It's just trails Lookout, not a replication of the Sistine Chapel ceiling.

But there are four lines on her wrist. How could that happen?

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #96 on: July 11, 2017, 10:09:PM »
But there are four lines on her wrist. How could that happen?

How could it not?
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #97 on: July 11, 2017, 10:11:PM »
Some of us did an experiment on the blood trail using red pint and got the same effect. The pictures are still on the forum (I think).
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #98 on: July 11, 2017, 10:15:PM »
How could it not?

Well you're saying it came from her hand?

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #99 on: July 11, 2017, 10:35:PM »
 Only if Sheila's arm was across her chest ( in a sitting position ) head bent, which would have restricted the blood flow from her injuries. It may have come from her mouth,as it would drip out if her head had been bent over.

If you sit up,put your arm across your chest,head bent forward,and if your mouth contained blood it would eke out,particularly if Sheila was gasping and not able to expel it in the normal way.

When she'd been placed in the lying down position the overflow from the restricted neck position would have then pooled as her head and neck rested on the floor,as she hadn't been dead long enough for the wound to have been plugged or halted by LM. 

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #100 on: July 11, 2017, 11:26:PM »
That would mean her palm was bloodstained - according to prosecution, it was not.  Also doesn't explain why he placed the bible over a large distinctive bloodstain on the carpet.

According to the prosecution, there were no cuts on her hand either _ can't answer why Jeremy would put the bible over the stain, perhaps to give them impression the stain was caused by the carpet blood - which is what the 2002 appeal argued (although that can't be true).

This is how I think the nightdress and the bible became stained.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #101 on: July 12, 2017, 01:22:AM »
Well you're saying it came from her hand?

And?
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #102 on: July 12, 2017, 02:03:AM »
Blood is a non Newtonian fluid (does not follow Newton's law of viscosity)

Blood has adhesive properties and it does not go from fluid to dry. depending on the amount It quickly turns into a semi fluid gel that gets less and less fluid until it eventually becomes completely dry.

Blood can be fluid and remain still without gravity moving it.   
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #103 on: July 12, 2017, 02:12:AM »
According to the prosecution, there were no cuts on her hand either _ can't answer why Jeremy would put the bible over the stain, perhaps to give them impression the stain was caused by the carpet blood - which is what the 2002 appeal argued (although that can't be true).

This is how I think the nightdress and the bible became stained.

There is no corresponding blood from the wrist or the forearm.

I have a clear photo where I can see most of the inside of Sheila's upper fingers. There is no blood  :-\

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #104 on: July 12, 2017, 02:55:AM »
There is no corresponding blood from the wrist or the forearm.

I have a clear photo where I can see most of the inside of Sheila's upper fingers. There is no blood  :-\

Good for you, but aren't you also one of those people that ask others to post proof? I'm not saying it's not the case BUT, I'm sure you don't like blind faith either.

There is a lot being claimed at he moment and if it all points to an innocent Jeremy, why wouldn't you post it? I just don't get it!
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