DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge

[JackieD]

Oh I always thought there was only a palm print on the nightdress. That looks like bloody fingerprints?

I miss your posts

[Steve_uk]

I always thought the argument was she would be so frightened of the gun no force would be needed?

I don't believe she was reasoned with at the barrel of a gun. She had no idea what was happening for those few seconds she was dragged across the corridor into the master bedroom, stumbled over June, told to lie down whereupon Jeremy precipitously fired the first report, hence the mistake.

[lookout]

Those marks look for all the world like " grip " marks----as in the trigger part of the rifle being as she was right-handed.After all,she had been busy,hadn't she ?

[Jan]

I miss your posts

I might be back for a fleeting few visits. My belief has never changed . Unfortunately family circumstances forced me to take a few steps back for a while .

[guest2181]

Oh I always thought there was only a palm print on the nightdress. That looks like bloody fingerprints?

It's just blood transfer from her wrist.

[Roch]

If someone has a tight grip on a person who tries to pull away, it's likely that a scrape could occur.

Yes, if they have nails to dig in to somebody - I think that's right. 

But that begs the question - if Jeremy caused her to have such gouges and scrapes in the manner suggested - and Jeremy was the one being prosecuted for killing her - why did the prosecution's case against him omit the scrapes?

[Steve_uk]

Those marks look for all the world like " grip " marks----as in the trigger part of the rifle being as she was right-handed.After all,she had been busy,hadn't she ?

But look at her nails Lookout after all that activity. I just can't believe the thumbnail is not damaged in any way.

[Jan]

It's just blood transfer from her wrist.

I think I must need to go to spec savers then because it looks like the creases in the fingers and even a very faint imprint of the end of her nails ??

[susan]

I might be back for a fleeting few visits. My belief has never changed . Unfortunately family circumstances forced me to take a few steps back for a while .

Hello Jan so nice to see you think I will fasten you to the forum so you can't run away again

[Roch]

Those marks look for all the world like " grip " marks----as in the trigger part of the rifle being as she was right-handed.After all,she had been busy,hadn't she ?

The indent on the inside of her index could well be rifle related.

[lookout]

But look at her nails Lookout after all that activity. I just can't believe the thumbnail is not damaged in any way.

The thumb wouldn't have played a part Steve. The nails to " go " first are the forefinger-nails. I know that with my own. Both my thumb-nails are longer than any of the others.
( Index fingers )

[Caroline]

Yes, if they have nails to dig in to somebody - I think that's right. 

But that begs the question - if Jeremy caused her to have such gouges and scrapes in the manner suggested - and Jeremy was the one being prosecuted for killing her - why did the prosecution's case against him omit the scrapes?

I can't even see any scrapes, I think you're all imagining it.

[Jan]

But look at her nails Lookout after all that activity. I just can't believe the thumbnail is not damaged in any way.

There have been posts on here before that actually said it is an easy rifle to fire and to be fair we can not see all her nails so we only have reports that say they were not damaged . It also says her hands were clean and there is no way that is true is it? Perhaps they were by the time the autopsy happened?

[guest2181]

I think I must need to go to spec savers then because it looks like the creases in the fingers and even a very faint imprint of the end of her nails ??

Fingers and palms were free from blood, it's just transfer from her wrist, have a look at the wider angle photographs in the library.

[Adam]

There have been posts on here before that actually said it is an easy rifle to fire and to be fair we can not see all her nails so we only have reports that say they were not damaged . It also says her hands were clean and there is no way that is true is it? Perhaps they were by the time the autopsy happened?

She had to breach, chamber & reload twice. And fight a man twice as big as him.