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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #75 on: July 04, 2017, 08:09:PM »
The crescent is simply dried blood, there is a corresponding stain on the the dress.

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #76 on: July 04, 2017, 08:10:PM »
Whenever they were released, doesn't really matter, if they showed what is being claimed here, they'd never have seen the light of day but there is no evidence to prove that they were kept from either the defence of the jury.

They could hardly have been shown at trial this close up - if the prosecution's case was that Sheila had no injuries.  As somebody in the jury or defence with the same vision as my self, Maggie, Bill, Susan etc would probably have questioned why she had crescent gouges. 

I cannot see how bleeding gunshot wounds to the neck/throat can cause crescent shaped blood stains with further bloodstains underneath them in the form of a nail scrape / graze. 
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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #77 on: July 04, 2017, 08:19:PM »
The images in the pdf have just been manipulated, there appears to be a white dot on one area of blood staining that people are thinking is skin gouged up, but it is just where the image has been lightened and become pixilated.

Seeing the image below and wider angle images in the photo library we can see that it is simply a continuation of blood staining rather than wounds.

Nice try guys.  ;)


Is this consistent with her reaching for the first neck wound with her right hand as would happen involuntarily after the first shot?

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #78 on: July 04, 2017, 08:20:PM »
All of which is a complete contradiction.

How do you work that out?

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #79 on: July 04, 2017, 08:20:PM »
They did find the diary, that's how they knew she wrote "I shouldn't have been horrible to Jeremy". The others (if they exist) must in an Indiana Jones type dungeon, fashioned by EP along with the boxes of missing documents - careful how you tread  :o ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db5rRtOExbA
They should have kept the diary as an exhibit as well as the alleged suicide note. A bungled defence team to cap it all. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3760.0/nowap.html

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #80 on: July 04, 2017, 08:23:PM »
They could hardly have been shown at trial this close up - if the prosecution's case was that Sheila had no injuries.  As somebody in the jury or defence with the same vision as my self, Maggie, Bill, Susan etc would probably have questioned why she had crescent gouges. 

I cannot see how bleeding gunshot wounds to the neck/throat can cause crescent shaped blood stains with further bloodstains underneath them in the form of a nail scrape / graze.

What is the print underneath is that the nightdress?

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #81 on: July 04, 2017, 08:24:PM »
Is this consistent with her reaching for the first neck wound with her right hand as would happen involuntarily after the first shot?

How would reaching for a neck wound cause a cresecent shape the size of a fingernail, with a trail similar to a scrape underneath it?   

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #82 on: July 04, 2017, 08:26:PM »
How would reaching for a neck wound cause a cresecent shape the size of a fingernail, with a trail similar to a scrape underneath it?
Well it would explain the blood. As for the scrape, this could have been caused when Jeremy led her forcefully to her death like a lamb to the slaughter.

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #83 on: July 04, 2017, 08:28:PM »
Well it would explain the blood. As for the scrape, this could have been caused when Jeremy led her forcefully to her death like a lamb to the slaughter.

How would it explain the blood?  And what did Jeremy use to scrape her when he dragged her?

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #84 on: July 04, 2017, 08:32:PM »
How would it explain the blood?  And what did Jeremy use to scrape her when he dragged her?

If someone has a tight grip on a person who tries to pull away, it's likely that a scrape could occur.

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #85 on: July 04, 2017, 08:32:PM »
What is the print underneath is that the nightdress?

Yes it is.

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #86 on: July 04, 2017, 08:32:PM »
Well it would explain the blood. As for the scrape, this could have been caused when Jeremy led her forcefully to her death like a lamb to the slaughter.

I always thought the argument was she would be so frightened of the gun no force would be needed?

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #87 on: July 04, 2017, 08:33:PM »
If someone has a tight grip on a person who tries to pull away, it's likely that a scrape could occur.

Or it's just a blood stain transferred from her nightdress.

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #88 on: July 04, 2017, 08:34:PM »
Yes it is.

Oh I always thought there was only a palm print on the nightdress. That looks like bloody fingerprints?

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Re: DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge
« Reply #89 on: July 04, 2017, 08:34:PM »
I always thought the argument was she would be so frightened of the gun no force would be needed?


Thank you Jan
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000