Kitchen telephone

[guest2181]

True Harters, there's nothing wrong with a bit of humility from both sides, dontcha think?

Yes, a little humility along with a little bit of reasonableness from the other side certainly wouldn't go amiss.

[mike tesko]

Bamber then is not a killer, cops have known for over three decades thàt a 999 call was made from inside the farmhouse which the operator switched through to police at 6.08am, at a time when Jeremy was in the company of at least a dozen police officers outside of the farmhouse! It's called having the perfect alibi...

This fact alone helps to determine that everything that Jeremy has said from day one, was true, and is true!

He didn't kill anyone, he was not inside whf when any of the victims got shot and died - he wasn't inside the farmhouse at 3.42am when the operator checked the phone and reported it being off the hook! Jeremy was not inside the farmhouse when at 5.47am the farmhouse phone mysteriously became transformed from being in a state off the hook, into an engaged one! He was not inside the farmhouse at 6.08am when the operator switched the line from the farmhouse to the police by way of the 999 system so they could eavesdrop what the operator herself could hear! This monitoring endured all the way through to 7.47am at which point the 999 open line was closed down rather dramatically so soon after the report of two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide all wrapped up and recorded in police message logs which were passed and recorded between 7.30am and 7.45am!

Within two minutes, the 999 open line was closed down rather abruptly!

[mike tesko]

This fact alone helps to determine that everything that Jeremy has said from day one, was true, and is true!

He didn't kill anyone, he was not inside whf when any of the victims got shot and died - he wasn't inside the farmhouse at 3.42am when the operator checked the phone and reported it being off the hook! Jeremy was not inside the farmhouse when at 5.47am the farmhouse phone mysteriously became transformed from being in a state off the hook, into an engaged one! He was not inside the farmhouse at 6.08am when the operator switched the line from the farmhouse to the police by way of the 999 system so they could eavesdrop what the operator herself could hear! This monitoring endured all the way through to 7.47am at which point the 999 open line was closed down rather dramatically so soon after the report of two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide all wrapped up and recorded in police message logs which were passed and recorded between 7.30am and 7.45am!

Within two minutes, the 999 open line was closed down rather abruptly!

For all those interested in the truth in this matter, the closing down of the 999 open line at 7.47am was a watershed, is a watershed...

[mike tesko]

Something happened when the armed officers entered that kitchen which Essex police and their CPS counterparts do not want the watching public to know about, or to find out about! That something was a shooting incident! I know a lot of you have scoffed at this suggestion previously, but the truth is there was a shooting incident at that time, a shot got discharged, and there is an officers report that had to be filled out because of that shooting! That officers report bears the reference 1612, the incident was also overheard back in the control room, and more importantly everything was recorded on Audio tape because the telephone line from the farmhouse was switched by the operator to the police using the 999 system from 6.08am all the way through to 7.47am, this more than covers the entry by the firearm officers into the kitchen, the shooting incident in the kitchen, the report of two bodies, one male, and a female, not a male misidentified as a female, a murder, and a suicide, all over and dusted with by 7.45am, and that was that, the 999 open line had to be closed down, an unarmed Sheila Caffell had been shot across the neck by a police bullet!

[mike tesko]

Something happened when the armed officers entered that kitchen which Essex police and their CPS counterparts do not want the watching public to know about, or to find out about! That something was a shooting incident! I know a lot of you have scoffed at this suggestion previously, but the truth is there was a shooting incident at that time, a shot got discharged, and there is an officers report that had to be filled out because of that shooting! That officers report bears the reference 1612, the incident was also overheard back in the control room, and more importantly everything was recorded on Audio tape because the telephone line from the farmhouse was switched by the operator to the police using the 999 system from 6.08am all the way through to 7.47am, this more than covers the entry by the firearm officers into the kitchen, the shooting incident in the kitchen, the report of two bodies, one male, and a female, not a male misidentified as a female, a murder, and a suicide, all over and dusted with by 7.45am, and that was that, the 999 open line had to be closed down, an unarmed Sheila Caffell had been shot across the neck by a police bullet!

Much later, senior officers gathered around the bed in the main bedroom upon which Sheila's body was laying, they engaged in the practice of 'informatives', which by that stage concerned themselves in finding a different solution that could hypothetically account for that single bullet entry wound upon her throat? Of course, they already knew how that shot had taken its toll! But it was always sound policy to look for every possible eventuality, different ways the apparent death of this young woman on the bed could have technically died! Whilst endorsing this technique the body of Sheila was carefully lifted off the bed and plonked on the bedroom floor for convenience sake more than anything, so that everyone present could stand around her body and get a better look at what they intended to try and suggest could have occurred! She had taken her own life, with - 'bring that rifle she placed at the first floor box room window', barked George Harris, 'get me that rifle'...

[JackieD]

Oh, I'm willing to bet you do know "stuff" about those you work with -work places are generally dens of gossip- but whether they've shared it with you, or others have passed it to you, or it's simply what you think you know, are very different things. Personally, I wouldn't be arrogant enough to claim I knew anyone I'd only met once.

Don't know what you're implying with the question.

Because you are trying to make it look like Bill is a liar

[mike tesko]

'bring that rifle she placed at the first floor box room window', barked George Harris, 'get me that rifle'.

Of course, what Essex police did not want anyone knowing was that the anshuzt rifle was already resting at the first floor box room window, and had been there from around 7.15am, it was still resting there when the shooting incident in the kitchen took place, which included the suggestion that Sheila was dead in the kitchen by way of a suicide! How exactly had she managed to commit suicide and be shot in the kitchen, unarmed?

[Jane]

Because you are trying to make it look like Bill is a liar

No! God, you're brilliant at twisting people's words, aren't you? What I gave was my opinion that seeing someone once doesn't constitute 'knowing' them. It was you who used the word "liar".

[mike tesko]

The 999 open line which linked the kitchen phone at the farmhouse to the police back in the control room simply had to be closed down after the shooting incident in the kitchen which had the potential to become a huge scandal, the shooting of an unarmed young woman who was acting under what can only best be described as 'a flag of truce' (by placing the anshuzt rifle she had run amok with at the first floor box room window before coming downstairs presumably to give herself up)! Maybe Sheila had it in her mind to walk out of the farmhouse, maybe when the cops started hammering the farmhouse door in, it panicked her, and then when the muzzle of the cops rifle came around the opening edge of the internal door it was the least she could do in all the circumstances, but to make a grab for the barrel which was pointing away from her!

[mike tesko]

The 999 open line which linked the kitchen phone at the farmhouse to the police back in the control room simply had to be closed down after the shooting incident in the kitchen which had the potential to become a huge scandal, the shooting of an unarmed young woman who was acting under what can only best be described as 'a flag of truce' (by placing the anshuzt rifle she had run amok with at the first floor box room window before coming downstairs presumably to give herself up)! Maybe Sheila had it in her mind to walk out of the farmhouse, maybe when the cops started hammering the farmhouse door in, it panicked her, and then when the muzzle of the cops rifle came around the opening edge of the internal door it was the least she could do in all the circumstances, but to make a grab for the barrel which was pointing away from her!

And once the officer came around the opening edge of that door, maybe she dragged the muzzle of his rifle in toward her own throat, maybe she tugged, maybe he tugged, tooing and froing, in a battle to get control of the weapon, he with his finger close to the trigger, she hellbent on clinging to the muzzle of the rifles barrel..

[mike tesko]

And once the officer came around the opening edge of that door, maybe she dragged the muzzle of his rifle in toward her own throat, maybe she tugged, maybe he tugged, tooing and froing, in a battle to get control of the weapon, he with his finger close to the trigger, she hellbent on clinging to the muzzle of the rifles barrel..

In his officers report on this shooting incident (1612) he would say that Sheila appeared to deliberately pull the muzzle of his rifle into her own throat as if she wanted to be shot by him! She wanted to die!

[mike tesko]

In his officers report on this shooting incident (1612) he would say that Sheila appeared to deliberately pull the muzzle of his rifle into her own throat as if she wanted to be shot by him! She wanted to die!

Thus, a suicide was born there and then in the kitchen by 7.45am, and two minutes later in the aftermath of this tragedy the 999 open line from the phone in the kitchen to police back in the control room got closed down (7.47am), a death had been witnessed in the kitchen,  an unarmed young woman shot dead, had been shot dead, by a police officer, albeit in the course of his duty! There would of course have to be an internal police enquiry into this death! Best to close the 999 open line down immediately in the wake of this live shooting incident (1612)! Worse still, best to try and deny that there had ever been a 999 open line connection between the phone in the kitchen at the farmhouse, and the police back in the control room!

[mike tesko]

Harris, Gibbons and Montgomery did not venture into the farmhouse until after the other three bodies of the five victims had been found upstairs in the bedrooms, five dead in total by 8.10am - step forward them all, they entered the kitchen by the same route taken by the raid team expecting to find two bodies there! Gibbons himself was responsible for passing a message via CA07 to the control room that two bodies had been found upon entry to the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (7.35am), yet soon after 8.10am when he and the others tentatively entered the kitchen scene, they were greeted with only the body of Neville Bamber, there was no sign of Sheila's body, the second body was gone! The suicide from the kitchen had vanished as if into thin air!

[mike tesko]

Standard exchange force release conditions in Maldon and Goldhanger exchanges mid 1980's:-

[mike tesko]

During Jeremy's trial the prosecution dishonestly tried to make out that if he had received a call from Neville Bamber, that because the phone was off the hook back in the kitchen, that Jeremy would not have been able to dial his father's number back and get an engaged tone because they argued the phone at the farm was left off the hook and if Jeremy had tried to ring Neville back the line would still be open, and he Jeremy would not be able to make another call out from his cottage until several minutes elapsed, yet if Neville deliberately depressed the receiver to get a. Dialling tone, then he Jeremy would have been able to get a dialling tone on his own phone much more quickly! When all along cops and their CpS counterparts have known that somebody who was still alive inside the farmhouse at 5.47am caused the phone to become mysteriously engaged, and at 6.08am the operator switched this engaged line from the farmhouse to let's say xyz, to the police!

Xyz being as I understand it was a 999 call for ambulances to be brought immediately to the scene for the wounded, and dying victims who had been shot by that stage (6.08am)!