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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #165 on: May 29, 2017, 05:39:PM »
I don't know Susan, maybe if I pass you her details you can chat with her and tell her how much she is wrong about Jeremy and Jeremy has never shown any mental issues, I'm a bit fed up with it all to tell you the truth, you have known about this some while and never suggested this to me before, but now you have changed stance you have got your doubts about, not just a psychiatrist but one who was trusted to work with other high profile murders, not your run of the mill high street quack, I'm sorry if it comes across hard, I don't want to but I'm a bit pissed of with it at the moment.

Justice I did not mean to imply your friend was wrong in her assessment what I meant I am sure other psychiatrists see him differently and yes I have known all about her for ages.  I started off on here as innocent then I guess the majority became guilty I kinda followed but deep down I always thought I was wrong so gladly came out when Roch came back and spoke about his views although I always thought he was on the innocent stand. I have said in an earlier post we all see things as fits our own stance  but I have always held my hands up and said when I have been wrong.  You know your friend your assessment of her will be superior to mine don't be pissed off carry on Justice following your own thoughts you are a good man and I know you are a very honest man.  Justice I don't honestly know if JB does have mental health issues I have not seen any reports posted and I am sure if any existed they would be out in the domain.  Cheer up
Justice just to add if a man has been locked up and lost everything for a crime he knows he did not commit he will change and become bitter and possibly evil and this could have happened with JB I know others apart from Jackie who have been so good to him and he has let them down.  Sorry if my post seemed to question the credibility of your friend that was not meant as you and I have been good friends I know you have strong links with people in Essex .  Walk your wee doggie and get yourself back on here smiling you have always been so kind to me and indeed Jackie in the early days and I have never forgot that :-*

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #166 on: May 29, 2017, 05:46:PM »
Justice,can I tell you something ? During my work in the NHS,I worked for a  " top man " in his field of IVF treatment. It was well broadcast on both TV,and in the media. To cut a long story short,he proved to be a monster !
It takes a long time to put your trust in any professional.

We as a family lost all faith when a family member became critically ill this year,caused by the negligence of incorrect diagnoses from " professionals ". 

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #167 on: May 29, 2017, 06:25:PM »
I remain confident that JB will be released before the end of this year, but can't reveal why!

And if he's not?
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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #168 on: May 29, 2017, 06:39:PM »
Well there's got to be some good news for a change. The media are constantly geared up for all the bad news flung our way,so any imminent news of a future release will step up their game when they all learn of the " mistakes " that were made during the trial,so by the time the majority of the public see through it all,there'll be no question as to why he won't be released.

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #169 on: May 29, 2017, 06:44:PM »
If the CPS had disclosed the  C6 form (3.26am) filled out by Malcom Bonnett,  and the C1 form (3.36am) completed by PC West, and both of PC Wests witness statements, one dated, 9 August, the other dated 13 September 1985, and PC Cracknell and PC Norcup had both given accounts regarding what the witnessed up until 3.33am when they were with PC West in the control room, and police had not destroyed copies of the audio recordings relating to the 3.26am call from Neville, the 3.36am audio recording of Jeremy's call to PC West, and contact between  PC West and Malcom Bonnett after Neville's 3.26am call, and after Jeremy's 3.36am call, and a transcript of the first message PC West passed by HQ radio to the occupants of CA07 at 3.30am, and a transcript of the second occasion when PC West contacted CA07 after PC West had spoken with Jeremy, we would not be here three decades later debating this issue!

PC's Cracknell and Norcup would have witnessed what PC West told CA07 at 3.30am, information which could not have originated from Jeremy Bamber, because at the same time Jeremy (3.30am) was contacting Julie Mugford - he was actually in the process of speaking to Douglas Dale, who had to go and awaken Julie Mugford and tell her that Jeremy was on the phone! Jeremy was therefore effectively placed on hold whilst Dale went to fetch Julie from her room! Therefore, Jeremy couldn't have been on hold waiting for Dale to bring Mugford to the phone, and at one and the same time be on hold whilst PC West contacted his HQ Incident Room, followed by him contacting CA07 by use of the HQ police radio..

You can see why 'Stan' Jones, and other cops tried to alter the timing of Jeremy's call via Douglas Dale (3.30am) to Julie Mugford, between 3.00am to 3.30am!  They attempted to do this, because they knew there was a real problem concerning calls that were made, and police radio messages that were passed between 3.26am and 3.42am! Jeremy couldn't be on the land line phone back at his cottage to PC West and to Douglas Dale/Julie Mugford at 3.30am! Everything points to the occupants of CA07 and CA05 having been deployed to the incident at whf (3.35am, and 3.36am) as a result of information received from a different source than from Jeremy because it is without doubt that he did not make his call to police until after he finished with his 3.30am call to Mugford via Dale! We know (now) that PC West spoke to the occupants of CA07 at 3.30am, passing on information that there was something serious developing at whf! That message was passed by West to CA07 before Jeremy had finished his call to Julie Mugford! Whilst it's on record that Mugford told Jeremy to go back to bed, the occupants of CA07 had already been told to go to the farmhouse! There was no mention of Jeremy Bamber in this first contact, there couldn't have been because he hadn't by that stage contacted the police by that (3.30am) stage! Of course, we know that Jeremy himself had tried to contact Witham police station himself by telephone but this was met with no response! He attempted that call prior to making his 3.30am call to Julie Mugford via Dale! During his trial testimony PC West sought to decieve the court and all interested parties by declaring that he only made two calls after being contacted by Jeremy and putting Jeremy on hold - he said that he called HQ Incident Room to get the name of the nearest police station to the remote farmhouse, which he found out was Witham police station, and he then said he called Witham police station on the phone! Well, that account cannot be true because by the time Jeremy had finished talking to Julie Mugford, and he had then contacted PC West by telephone (3.36am) and PC West had placed Jeremy on hold,  the occupants of CA07 had already been contacted by PC West (3.30am), and they were on their way to the incident at whf long before PC West received Jeremy's call and placed him on hold!

These facts provide Jeremy Bamber with the perfect alibi!

Neville Bamber was clearly still alive by 3.26am, and beyond!

There is no evidence in either what Neville Bamber told police in his 3.26am call, or in the details provided by Jeremy Bamber in his 3.36am call to PC West, that anyone had in fact been shot, wounded or killed by that stage!  Cops back in the control room were not in a hurry to deploy teams of firearms officers to the incident! They must have felt confident that Neville Bamber might be able to deal with his own daughter, otherwise, why wait until after 04.11am/04.16am before firearms were authorised? The first point of contact with the police was arguably prior to 3.26am, or thereabouts, irrespective of the nonsensical claim that it was Jeremy and not Neville who had made that 3.26am call! What we now know, is that although the telephone line between Neville and Jeremy was cut off, the same cannot be said about the telephone line between whf and the police from 3.26am, onward - the handset was effectively left off the hook by Neville Bamber! Therefore, police who had been speaking with Neville (PC West) would have been able to eavesdrop the kitchen phone after Neville Bamber concluded what he had time to say! There is every reason to believe that the kitchen phone was simply left off the hook by Neville Bamber at least from 3.26am, 03.42am, and until 3.56am! The telephone line in play when Neville Bamber spoke to Jeremy, cannot have remained open if Neville did make the 3.26am call to police (as per Malcom Bonnetts C6 form). The call to Jeremy by Neville was cut short, and Neville then called the police! When Jeremy tried to re-establish contact with Neville he kept getting the engaged tone! This is consistent with Neville contacting the police using the kitchen phone!

This provided time for Jeremy to try to contact Witham police station, without success! Of course we now know that PC West was already in contact with Witham officers by use of the HQ police radio! Jeremy then phoned his girlfriend Julie Mugford (3.30am) via being placed on hold by Dale who had to fetch her to the phone! She told Jeremy to go back to bed! But Jeremy phoned Chelmsford police and spoke to PC West (3.36am), once he had spoken to PC West, West put Jeremy on hold whilst he updated HQ Incident Room, about Mr Bambers son (Jeremy) having contacted the police, mentioning that the son had said his father had called him, telling him that his sister had got the gun, and that she was going crazy, before the telephone line went dead! PC West then updated the occupants of CA07 regarding the son, telling them that he would tell him to meet the police at the farmhouse! By the time PC West spoke to Jeremy again, police were already deployed to whf (CA07 - 3.35am, and CA05 - 3.36am), West told Jeremy this!
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #170 on: May 29, 2017, 07:29:PM »
Thanks and best wishes Bill

justice has this per son you talk of ever met jb

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #171 on: May 29, 2017, 07:38:PM »
justice has this per son you talk of ever met jb
Which person Notsure? I would assume so she was his psychiatrist and he was his Chaplin? They both said the same things.  I really don't want to try and convince anyone about these people, NGB was the first person I spoke to about them, I have met them twice and she knows I'm on the Bamber forum my daughter passed some messages in between, I'm not going to repeat them, I don't for one minute think she would mind but I have to be mindful, I will try to get her second name and Susan can try and make contact so long as she doesn't mention me or my family. I don't know how she will do it and then she can report back to forum, I can't be any fairer.  I don't lie Notsure and the offer is still open to Bill if he gives me proof. I have 3 friends still in Essex police, I take offence anyone posing as police.

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #172 on: May 29, 2017, 08:10:PM »
Which person Notsure? I would assume so she was his psychiatrist and he was his Chaplin? They both said the same things.  I really don't want to try and convince anyone about these people, NGB was the first person I spoke to about them, I have met them twice and she knows I'm on the Bamber forum my daughter passed some messages in between, I'm not going to repeat them, I don't for one minute think she would mind but I have to be mindful, I will try to get her second name and Susan can try and make contact so long as she doesn't mention me or my family. I don't know how she will do it and then she can report back to forum, I can't be any fairer.  I don't lie Notsure and the offer is still open to Bill if he gives me proof. I have 3 friends still in Essex police, I take offence anyone posing as police.

I really don't get it? You assume she was his psychiatrist, she either was or she wasn't ?

I cannot imagine a psychiatrist would talk to anyone about a patient especially a high profile prisoner like Jeremy Bamber
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #173 on: May 29, 2017, 08:11:PM »
Justice, I offered very much the same information, as have you, when I first joined. I was threatened with all the retributions in hell for so doing. I believe the police were alluded to and also BACP to revoke my qualifications. It was a very frightening time. I didn't know THEN that they we idle threats. I will say NOW, with total confidence, that your psychiatrist friend isn't alone in her assessment of Jeremy. There is at least another who agrees. I can only believe the reason for them not making statements is because they were never asked. Like you, I feel incensed when I see experts in their field, put down by those who know nothing.
Jane, I have even told you we're they live

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #174 on: May 29, 2017, 08:20:PM »
Which person Notsure? I would assume so she was his psychiatrist and he was his Chaplin? They both said the same things.  I really don't want to try and convince anyone about these people, NGB was the first person I spoke to about them, I have met them twice and she knows I'm on the Bamber forum my daughter passed some messages in between, I'm not going to repeat them, I don't for one minute think she would mind but I have to be mindful, I will try to get her second name and Susan can try and make contact so long as she doesn't mention me or my family. I don't know how she will do it and then she can report back to forum, I can't be any fairer.  I don't lie Notsure and the offer is still open to Bill if he gives me proof. I have 3 friends still in Essex police, I take offence anyone posing as police.

oh OK justice I just wasn't sure . I don't know the story so iI was a little confused. No worries though I understand why you wouldn't want to repeat what she told you. X

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #175 on: May 29, 2017, 08:22:PM »
Jane, I have even told you we're they live

Yes, I can verify that, Justice.

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #176 on: May 29, 2017, 08:39:PM »
I really don't get it? You assume she was his psychiatrist, she either was or she wasn't ?

I cannot imagine a psychiatrist would talk to anyone about a patient especially a high profile prisoner like Jeremy Bamber

I assume that Justice was using irony. If you had a friend who was a psychiatrist you could be very surprised at what they talk about without ever actually using names. Jeremy might be special to you. To them, he's just another patient , albeit a convicted one.

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #177 on: May 29, 2017, 08:46:PM »
I assume that Justice was using irony. If you had a friend who was a psychiatrist you could be very surprised at what they talk about without ever actually using names. Jeremy might be special to you. To them, he's just another patient , albeit a convicted one.

It's rubbish and you know it
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #178 on: May 29, 2017, 08:50:PM »
I really don't get it? You assume she was his psychiatrist, she either was or she wasn't ?

I cannot imagine a psychiatrist would talk to anyone about a patient especially a high profile prisoner like Jeremy Bamber

Justice said in a response to a question from Notsure asking if the person he know had met JB "I assume so she was a psychiatrist and he was his Chaplin". You didn't read the sentence correctly.
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« Reply #179 on: May 29, 2017, 09:28:PM »
I really don't get it? You assume she was his psychiatrist, she either was or she wasn't ?

I cannot imagine a psychiatrist would talk to anyone about a patient especially a high profile prisoner like Jeremy Bamber
Jackie she is retired now and doesn't give a f""k about Bamber, she hates him more than anything in the world, she hates him, yes she did work with him, I honestly don't know if she would mind me telling everything, I haven't out of courtesy, she is a lovely lady and her partner was a Chaplin, he repeated the same things to me, I can't tell you more, it was out of the blue that we got connected about Bamber. I have never told anyone fully what she said. Most was messages sent between family.  I'm not saying anything more on it