Author Topic: Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!  (Read 78560 times)

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Offline mike tesko

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This approach was problematic for a number of different reasons, one of which the angles at which both shots had been received, making it unlikely that the two shots could have been self inflicted, one immediately following the other, by use of the same gun, and 'recoil'...

How had Sheila managed to shoot herself twice once with the rifle held more or less horizontal in fashion against her neck, followed by a second shot which was fired with the gun flush with the front of her body!!

Not only was the angle and trjectory of the two shots problematic, but so to was the direction in which a spent cartridge case might be extracted / ejected from the rifle once a shot was fired!
« Last Edit: May 10, 2017, 09:08:AM by mike tesko »
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Not only was the angle and trjectory of the two shots problematic, but so to was the direction in which a spent cartridge case might be extracted / ejected from the rifle nice a shot was fired!
I agree with you on this Mike and it is one of the reasons why I question Sheila's guilt. I cannot accept she was accidentally shot by the police.

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I agree with you on this Mike and it is one of the reasons why I question Sheila's guilt. I cannot accept she was accidentally shot by the police.
Me too Maggie.

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I agree with you on this Mike and it is one of the reasons why I question Sheila's guilt. I cannot accept she was accidentally shot by the police.

The fact that she was accidentally shot by the police does not describe exactly how police ended up being responsible for shooting her! That 'she was accidentally shot by police' is misleading because she wasn't shot accidentally! In the first instance the rifle said to have been used to fire both shots was resting at a first floor box room window at about 7.15am - if Sheila had already been shot twice by that stage (7.15am) her body can't have been on the main bedroom floor in possession of that rifle at one and the same time (7.15am). She can't have already been shot twice by that stage (7.15am), and if what I am pointing out be true, then cops must have known that Sheila had not shot herself and committed suicide by that stage, either downstairs in the kitchen, as per the 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am and 7.45am, or upstairs on the main bedroom floor after 8.10am. Yet, the cops it was who settled on treating these five deaths as four murders and a suicide, where Sheila shot and killed the other four victims, then supposedly then used the gun on herself and she took her own life! Well, she hadn't shot herself with use of that rifle by the time it was presented at a first floor box room window at 7.15am, so cops must know the true circumstances surrounding her death, and in particular the fact that Sheila was shot twice. The claim that the TFG found Sheila's body on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle soon after entering the premises has to be false by virtue of the fact that the gun was resting against that first floor window from 7.15am, onward! During the performance of 'informatives' by senior officers gathered around Sheila's body after 9am (until 10am) who's task it was to try to identify a number of different ways in which the tragedy could have unfolded? These senior officers know how the anshuzt rifle from the first floor box room window, ended up in the possession of Sheila's body! These very same senior officers must have known who collected the anshuzt rifle from the box room window and brought it to the main bedroom, and the time it was moved from one first floor room to another (main bedroom)! These self same senior officers must have known at what moment in time the rifle had been brought into the main bedroom and placed on the bed in-between the two bodies of Sheila and June Bamber on the bed! These very same senior officers must have known who amongst them had staged Sheila's death scene on the bedroom floor with use of that rifle, and when these senior officers told TFG officers to make out their notes, and reports, along the lines that the bodies of the five victims had been found where PC 'David' Bird (SOCO) had eventually photographed them from 10am, onwards...

So, if the term 'cops shot Sheila accidentally' is anything to go on, then we can safely say that on both occasions where Sheila did get shot (once across the throat during a struggle in the kitchen, and a second time once her body was moved by police from on top of the bed, onto the floor) that these shootings of her by police were not accidental! But shoot her they did...
« Last Edit: May 10, 2017, 09:51:AM by mike tesko »
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Offline mike tesko

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The officers report (1612) which deals with the shooting of Sheila in the kitchen, does not describe the shooting of Sheila as being accidental at all. Instead, her death is dealt with in terms of her death being a suicide, where the officer saw Sheila pulling the muzzle of the police mans own weapon intowards her own neck...
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Look at the position of the anshuzt rifle that is photographed in Sheila Caffells possession - the fingers of the right hand resting partially consealing the ammunition magazine

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Look at the position of the anshuzt rifle that is photographed in Sheila Caffells possession - the fingers of the right hand resting partially consealing the ammunition magazine

In some of the images the muzzle end of the rifles barrel is positioned beneath the point of her chin, capable of having been used to fire bullet PV/19. Any bullet fired with the rifle in this position would have ejected a corresponding spent cartridge case beyond Sheila Caffells left shoulder, the bedside cabinet and the bed!
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In some of the images the muzzle end of the rifles barrel is positioned beneath the point of her chin, capable of having been used to fire bullet PV/19. Any bullet fired with the rifle in this position would have ejected a corresponding spent cartridge case beyond Sheila Caffells left shoulder, the bedside cabinet and the bed!

Now, bring the rifle by its stock away from Sheila's body keeping the muzzle of the guns barrel against the throat, do this until the length of the rifle acquires the same corresponding plane as that of the first shot received across Sheila's neck (as per PV/20). Then without rotating the rifle at all on its own axis, but sliding the rifle around to the left hand side of Sheila's body until the gun fits in with the path taken by the bullet fired across her neck, something really very interesting occurs...
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Now, bring the rifle by its stock away from Sheila's body keeping the muzzle of the guns barrel against the throat, do this until the length of the rifle acquires the same corresponding plane as that of the first shot received across Sheila's neck (as per PV/20). Then without rotating the rifle at all on its own axis, but sliding the rifle around to the left hand side of Sheila's body until the gun fits in with the path taken by the bullet fired across her neck, something really very interesting occurs...

If Sheila had shot herself across the throat, the hand of her trigger finger would almost certainly have been below the trigger and it's guard, not above them!!

The spent cartridge case associated with the round shot across her throat would have been extracted and ejected into the opposite side of the main bedroom, compared to the direction the other spent cartridge case belonging to bullet PV/19 ..
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Why then, are we led to believe that bullet cases DRH/1 and DRH/2 were found beneath Sheila Caffells body on the bedroom floor?
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Why then, are we led to believe that bullet cases DRH/1 and DRH/2 were found beneath Sheila Caffells body on the bedroom floor?

At the time each of the two shots were discharged into Sheila's body, the corresponding spent cartridge cases were extracted and ejected from the same part of the gun! The gun was pointing in two conflicting directions at the time Sheila was shot across the neck, and much later under the chin!
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At the time each of the two shots were discharged into Sheila's body, the corresponding spent cartridge cases were extracted and ejected from the same part of the gun! The gun was pointing in two conflicting directions at the time Sheila was shot across the neck, and much later under the chin!

At best, one of the two bullets received in Sheila Caffells body was fired via the anshuzt rifle (brought to her body from the first floor box room window) neither DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4 bullet cases, were one of those! Only 9 bullet cases were from inside the main bedroom, PI 'Bob' Miller added four additional bullet case quotas there, so that the prosecution could suggest that Neville Bamber had already been shot before he could have got downstairs to raise the alarm!!
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Sheila's hand grip on the trigger mechanism was set with the infliction of the fatal shot beneath the chin  (PV/19) in mind! This is completely different to how her hand and fingers would have been set at the time the shot across the neck was inflicted (PV/20) if the same rifle had fired both shots. If that had been the case, the position of rifle would have been set differently at the time of each of these two shots? The direction in which spent bullet cases were extracted and ejected at the point when both shots were fired would be different, making it unlikely that both such bullet cases would end up on the bedroom floor beneath Sheila's body (as per DRH/1, DRH/2)!
« Last Edit: May 12, 2017, 04:23:PM by mike tesko »
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The idea that Sheila had been shot twice in the bedroom, incorporating, the across the throat shot, and the under the chin shot is problematic because both shots could not have been inflicted with Sheila's body laid laid out of the bedroom floor as shown in PC 'David' Birds photographs. None more so than the bed preventing the rifle set horizontal in fashion at the left side of her throat being able to swing so the the rifle fell flush against the front part of her body!
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The idea that Sheila had been shot twice in the bedroom, incorporating, the across the throat shot, and the under the chin shot is problematic because both shots could not have been inflicted with Sheila's body laid laid out of the bedroom floor as shown in PC 'David' Birds photographs. None more so than the bed preventing the rifle set horizontal in fashion at the left side of her throat being able to swing so the the rifle fell flush against the front part of her body!

Therefore, it is safe to assume that the first shot was inflicted when Sheila was stood upright with the gun angled into her throat! The second shot was inflicted with the gun flush with the front of her body.
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