Author Topic: Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!  (Read 78630 times)

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Offline Caroline

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You're barking up the wrong tree.  If I wanted to mimick the CT, why have I not done so (in the manner you are suggeting) in the last six or seven years.

Where did I say 'mimic'?
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Where did I say 'mimic'?

It seems to be what you are implying? 

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It seems to be what you are implying?

Actually, it's not.
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Actually, it's not.

I'm not taking pot shots - you just sound very much like them and their recent onslaught is everything you have recently mentioned. You're even using the same language.

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OK, what I meant is that you sound as though you are part of the CT - not mimicking them. Everything you have said in recent months is linked to what they have campaigned. It could be coincidence but it doesn't seem like it - however, I could be wrong or as you say, barking up the wrong tree.

When you first came back with what seems like a new 'personality' - I mentioned how I thought your had come to redress the balance a little and it does seem as though you are on a mission. Sorrry, that's just the way I see it - but others have commented too so I guess it's not just me.
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OK, what I meant is that you sound as though you are part of the CT - not mimicking them. Everything you have said in recent months is linked to what they have campaigned. It could be coincidence but it doesn't seem like it - however, I could be wrong or as you say, barking up the wrong tree.

When you first came back with what seems like a new 'personality' - I mentioned how I thought your had come to redress the balance a little and it does seem as though you are on a mission. Sorrry, that's just the way I see it - but others have commented too so I guess it's not just me.

Well if I've ruffle a few feathers then cant be helped.  I am absolutely certain 100% Sheila Caffel was involved in the killings.  Same for the physical evidence that was recorded being concealed from defence / trial / jury etc.  I think this change happened after I had returned to the forum as opposed to prior.

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Well if I've ruffle a few feathers then cant be helped.  I am absolutely certain 100% Sheila Caffel was involved in the killings.  Same for the physical evidence that was recorded being concealed from defence / trial / jury etc.  I think this change happened after I had returned to the forum as opposed to prior.

I don't have a feather out of place.  :)
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Well if I've ruffle a few feathers then cant be helped.  I am absolutely certain 100% Sheila Caffel was involved in the killings.  Same for the physical evidence that was recorded being concealed from defence / trial / jury etc.  I think this change happened after I had returned to the forum as opposed to prior.


You haven't, the first time I responded to your rhetoric was this morning.

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I don't have a feather out of place.  :)

Ha ha.  Yeah I cant see you getting ruffled!  I tell you what -  I might take a sabbatical soon, I'm getting exhausted :))

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Ha ha.  Yeah I cant see you getting ruffled!  I tell you what -  I might take a sabbatical soon, I'm getting exhausted :))

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Ha ha.  Yeah I cant see you getting ruffled!  I tell you what -  I might take a sabbatical soon, I'm getting exhausted :))

It's not what you have said about Bamber that worries me - I just get the feeling that you have been nobbled my the CT  ;) :-*
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It's not what you have said about Bamber that worries me - I just get the feeling that you have been nobbled my the CT  ;) :-*

No - I have not.  Though I do sympathise with their cause, if not their methods all of the time.

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The rifle was not moved prior to the crime scene photographer arriving.

It was not police protocol to dusturb a crime scene prior to photo's being taken. Otherwise there is no point in taking photo's in the first place.

The police did say they moved her lower arm slightly after the first photo. To show injuries.

Police did move the rifle from where it was seen at 7.15am, onward at a first floor box room window!

At 9am when PS Adams visited the main bedroom and saw the body of Sheila he told the COLP investigations he had no recollection of a gun being with Sheila's body at that time! Later DS 'Stan' Jones and DC 'Mick' Clarke visited the main bedroom scene and saw the bodies of Sheila and June on the bed with the rifle laid on the bed in-between both bodies, and Sheila had a bible upon her chest! Then at 9.30am with the arrival at the scene of the Coroners Officer, PC Wright, he would later confirm to the COLP investigators that the rifle had been removed from the body by that time!  If the rifle was not in Sheila's possession at these key times 9.00am, 9.05am and 9.30am, and PC Bird photographed Sheila's body in possession of the rifle from 10 am onwards, it leaves little room for doubt that police moved the rifle onto the body where it was eventually photographed from 10am, onward. Cops therefore staged Sheila Caffells death scene with the rifle to leave an impression that she had taken her own life! Jeremy Bamber did not force the police to stage his sister's death with the rifle on the bedroom floor! Cops staged Sheila's death scene  using the rifle from the first floor box room window to give the impression that she had taken her own life! If she had taken her own life as claimed by police, cops wouldn't have needed to stage her death scene with any rifle from the box room window, but for some inexplicable reason they did!
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Police did move the rifle from where it was seen at 7.15am, onward at a first floor box room window!

At 9am when PS Adams visited the main bedroom and saw the body of Sheila he told the COLP investigations he had no recollection of a gun being with Sheila's body at that time! Later DS 'Stan' Jones and DC 'Mick' Clarke visited the main bedroom scene and saw the bodies of Sheila and June on the bed with the rifle laid on the bed in-between both bodies, and Sheila had a bible upon her chest! Then at 9.30am with the arrival at the scene of the Coroners Officer, PC Wright, he would later confirm to the COLP investigators that the rifle had been removed from the body by that time!  If the rifle was not in Sheila's possession at these key times 9.00am, 9.05am and 9.30am, and PC Bird photographed Sheila's body in possession of the rifle from 10 am onwards, it leaves little room for doubt that police moved the rifle onto the body where it was eventually photographed from 10am, onward. Cops therefore staged Sheila Caffells death scene with the rifle to leave an impression that she had taken her own life! Jeremy Bamber did not force the police to stage his sister's death with the rifle on the bedroom floor! Cops staged Sheila's death scene  using the rifle from the first floor box room window to give the impression that she had taken her own life! If she had taken her own life as claimed by police, cops wouldn't have needed to stage her death scene with any rifle from the box room window, but for some inexplicable reason they did!

If Sheila had killed herself, why did police need to fake her death scene with the rifle in her possession on the bedroom floor at all?
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Not only did cops fake Sheila"s death scene in possession of the anshuzt rifle from the box room window , but cops were prepared to lie about the circumstances of how and when members of the TFG allegedly found her body earlier, and how her body with the gun had remained undisturbed there on the bedroom floor until after 10am when DI 'Ron' Cook had lifted the anshuzt rifle from Sheila's body and placed it against the main bedroom window!!!

Oh, yeah...

Cook didn't arrive at the scene until 9.20am, by which time PS Adams had already viewed Sheila's body in the main bedroom minus any gun, and 'Stan' Jones and 'Mick' Clarke had already seen June and Sheila's bodies laid on top of the bed with the rifle laid in-between both women! With this in mind, Cooks claim that he was the first person to remove the rifle from Sheila's body is shamefully dishonest to say the very least! Since he could not have been either responsible for removing the rifle from Sheila's body any time until after 10am that morning! How had the rifle got from its original sighting at the first floor box room window (7.15am), onto Sheila's body after 8.10am, who had removed the gun from Sheila's body in time for PS Adams to comment about the rifle not being with the body when he viewed Sheila in the main bedroom prior to leaving the scene at around 9am? 'Ron' Cook is therefore a liar! He couldn't have removed the rifle from Sheila's body prior to PS Adams claiming that the rifle was not with Sheila's body at 9am...

Rifle still not with Sheila's body other than according to DS 'Stan' Jones and DC 'Mick' Clarke's account before they left the scene with Jeremy! Cook had not even arrived at the scene until after the sighting of the two bodies on the bed by Jones and Clarke, so Cook could not have already removed the rifle from the body and placed it already at the main bedroom window by such an early stage! Matters are not helped by what the Coroner's officer, PC Wright had to say, chiefly that by the time he arrived at the scene (9.30am) the rifle had already been removed from the body by that stage! Ok, who had removed it by that stage? More importantly who had planted the anshuzt rifle on Sheila's body any time after 8.10am upstairs in the bedroom? It couldn't have been 'Ron' Cook because he didn't even arrive at the scene until 9.20am...

Rifle was not with the body of Sheila at 7.15am when Jeapes and Brown saw the rifle at the first floor box room window! There can be no doubt whatsoever that the rifle was not in Sheila's possession at one and the same time! Matters are further complicated by the fact that Sheila's had to be the body reportedly dead in the kitchen as per the evidence contained in the police logs timed at 7.35am, 7.37am, and 7.38am! If Sheila's body was the female body reportedly found in the kitchen then her body could not be laid on the bedroom floor in possession of the rifle! Cops have dug a deep hole into which their case is being sucked into, the more you start to look into the detail surrounding Sheila's death, the more significant the case for police themselves staging her death scene with use of the rifle from the box room window!

According to police records, three different police officers removed the rifle from Sheila's possession, those being, PI 'Ivor' Montgomery, DI 'Ron' Cook, and PS Woodcock. It is most striking that PS Woodcock claims he did not remove the rifle from Sheila's body until 11.10am, but by this time 'Ron' Cook had already clearly removed the rifle and stood it against the bedroom window, so how can Woodcock have removed the same rifle from Sheila's body after Cook already had done? Who put the rifle back on Sheila's body in time for Woodcock to remove it again after 10am?
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