Author Topic: Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!  (Read 78644 times)

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Aaah there we go, the old Sergeants Mess is now an Archeologists offices, right in front on the starting gates of the circus.

Which is just off Abbey Fields.
Thats right, I think it's where the Cavalry barracks were?  It was a Chariot track as well.

https://www.romancircus.co.uk/

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Consider the following evidential pattern pointing toward Sheila being alive until after the TFG entered the farmhouse, Sheila shot once downstairs, once upstairs, by a rifle from a box room window, which was brought into the parents bedroom and photographed in her possession on the bedroom floor - how was it possible for one of the two bullets recovered during autopsy became transformed into a whole bullet to enable the police ballistic expert to conclude that both shots into Sheila's throat had been caused by bullets loaded into and fired from the same rifle...
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Consider the following evidential pattern pointing toward Sheila being alive until after the TFG entered the farmhouse, Sheila shot once downstairs, once upstairs, by a rifle from a box room window, which was brought into the parents bedroom and photographed in her possession on the bedroom floor - how was it possible for one of the two bullets recovered during autopsy became transformed into a whole bullet to enable the police ballistic expert to conclude that both shots into Sheila's throat had been caused by bullets loaded into and fired from the same rifle...

Impossible!!
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If a so called mistake occurred in identifying one body as two bodies in the kitchen in between PC Collins peering into the kitchen window, and he then entering the kitchen itself, then why were messages passed that 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found on entry to kitchen' (7.35am, 7.37am) ' one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am) ' can you contact the police surgeon and Coroner's officer regarding two dead bodies' (7.42am) ' police are dealing with an incident at whf involving a murder, and a suicide (7.45am) and that ' a further three bodies had been found upstairs, five dead in total (8.10am)? Cops did not make a mistake in the body count downstairs in the kitchen and upstairs in the bedrooms during this period (7.35am to 8.10am). Similarly, they made no mistake once Sheila regained consciousness in the kitchen and made her way up the set of spiral stairs in the corner of the kitchen and recollapsed on top of the bed (after 8.10am)vwhich altered the body count upstairs from three to four, and the body count downstairs in the kitchen from two to one!

What did not happen is that when the TFG first set foot inside the kitchen (7.35am) there was not only one body (Neville Bamber) but two (Sheila Caffell), and by the time the TFG got upstairs to complete its search of the farmhouse (8.10am) there was not four bodies upstairs but only three (June Bamber, Nicholas Caffell and Daniel Caffell). The witness statement contents of TFG officers are plainly, therefore, forgeries since in them it sets out the case for them only finding one body in the kitchen, and the other four bodies upstairs, something which did not happen until after 8.10am..
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The TFG, therefore, could not have found Sheila Caffells body on the main bedroom floor in possession of the anshuzt rifle any time prior to 8.10am. Her body arrived in the main bedroom after 8.10am, after the search of the premises had been concluded, with the find of two bodies in kitchen upon entry and a further three bodies upstairs, five dead in total! The investigation went pearshaped after the shout had gone out from inside the farmhouse to the effect that the operation was over at and by 8.10am. it took another 5 minutes before Gibbons, Harris, and Montgomery entered the kitchen (8.15am) only to discover Sheila missing! Up until that point, PS Adams had been Commander of the operation in accordance with firearms policy even though a senior officer (PI Montgomery) arrived at the scene at around 7am, onward! However, once the operation went pearshaped with cops discovering Sheila missing from the kitchen (8.15am) PI Montgomery assumed Commandership in the ongoing second part of the operation involving a fresh search of the farmhouse looking for Sheila! This change in leadership was caused because the nature of the operation inside the farmhouse had changed in the body count in the kitchen from two to one (8.15am). If what I am saying is true then of course Sheila Caffell had not been found dead in the kitchen in keeping with the contents of police messages timed at 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.42am, and 7.45am, she had merely lapsed into unconsciousness! This means that she was mistakenly believed to have been killed there, she wasn't dead, she was still alive the whole time in the kitchen between 7.35am and 8.10am! This means that somebody made a huge mistake assuming that Sheila was dead, that she had been killed in the kitchen as a result of one shot into her neck! We know she was only shot once whilst she was present in the kitchen, because of the need  for an internal police firearm enquiry into the change of leadership in the operation, justified because a police weapon had been discharged in the kitchen spoken about in terms of the shooting incident in the kitchen (to which an official officers report exists)...
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There had to be an internal police enquiry from the moment a police weapon discharged a shot into Sheila's neck downstairs in the kitchen. The officers report which deals with this shooting incident of Sheila in the kitchen is proof enough that Jeremy Bamber for all his faults had not, and did not shoot dead his sister on the main bedroom floor with the rifle in his sister's possession, or remove any silencer from the end of the guns barrel because he supposedly realised that with it fitted to the barrel the weapon would have been too long for Sheila to have shot herself with the weapon so configured!

'Stan' Jones took possession of the silencer (SBJ/1) from the scene on the first morning of the investigation, which he returned to the farmhouse on 9th August, 1985, only for David Boutflour to recover it from the gun cupboard on the very next day!
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There had to be an internal police enquiry from the moment a police weapon discharged a shot into Sheila's neck downstairs in the kitchen. The officers report which deals with this shooting incident of Sheila in the kitchen is proof enough that Jeremy Bamber for all his faults had not, and did not shoot dead his sister on the main bedroom floor with the rifle in his sister's possession, or remove any silencer from the end of the guns barrel because he supposedly realised that with it fitted to the barrel the weapon would have been too long for Sheila to have shot herself with the weapon so configured!

'Stan' Jones took possession of the silencer (SBJ/1) from the scene on the first morning of the investigation, which he returned to the farmhouse on 9th August, 1985, only for David Boutflour to recover it from the gun cupboard on the very next day!

Evidence exists to back up all of these claims!
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The claim that Jeremy Bamber somehow conditioned the minds of the police is laughable, considering that police came up with so many different ways of trying to explain what had taken place during 'informatives' that were performed by senior officers huddled around Sheila Caffells body on the main bedroom floor - it became a case of choosing one of the many theories aired, over the others! They settled in the end for it being 'four murders, and a suicide, where Sheila shot and killed the others, then turned the gun on herself!
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The claim that Jeremy Bamber somehow conditioned the minds of the police is laughable, considering that police came up with so many different ways of trying to explain what had taken place during 'informatives' that were performed by senior officers huddled around Sheila Caffells body on the main bedroom floor - it became a case of choosing one of the many theories aired, over the others! They settled in the end for it being 'four murders, and a suicide, where Sheila shot and killed the others, then turned the gun on herself!

Jeremy Bamber had no input or involvement in the displacement of his sister's body from the kitchen (from 7.35am) to the main bedroom (after 8.10am), nor could he have been physically involved in the transfer of the anshuzt rifle from the first floor box room window (7.15am) onto Sheila Caffells body where it was photographed by PC David Bird after 10 O'clock...
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Jeremy Bamber had no input or involvement in the displacement of his sister's body from the kitchen (from 7.35am) to the main bedroom (after 8.10am), nor could he have been physically involved in the transfer of the anshuzt rifle from the first floor box room window (7.15am) onto Sheila Caffells body where it was photographed by PC David Bird after 10 O'clock...

Police reported Sheila's body dead in the kitchen (7.35am,7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am and 7.45am), then reported her dead body upstairs in the main bedroom (after 8.10am, then at 8.44am, 9.00am, 9.05am, 9.13am, 9.20am, 9.30am, and at 10am, onward)..
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PC Collins peered in through the kitchen window and reported seeing the dead body of a female behind the door! Upon entry being forced into the farmhouse, and in particular entry into the kitchen, PC Collins said that the body he originally reported being a dead female turned out to be the body of a dead male, Neville Bamber! This explanation does not sit well with the now known facts! Here are some of the inconsistencies with PC Collins account...

(1) He saw Shela's body 'behind one of the doors from his vantage point outside the kitchen window looking inward'. There were only two internal kitchen doors capable of fitting his description of her body being behind one of these doors, namely the doorway at the bottom of the spiral staircase in the corner of the kitchen, or the laundry room / kitchen door (but if the body was behind either of these two doors, the body could not be described as being present in the kitchen, because the body would have had to be outside the boundaries of the kitchen) PC Collins could not see any of the other two doors, one which opened inward of the kitchen from the back passageway, and the other toward the passageway leading to the front main stairs. If there had been a female body in the kitchen as described by PC Collins as viewed by him from outside the kitchen window looking inward then the body in question could not (as it turned out) have been reference to Neville Bambers body in the kitchen which was never behind any kitchen door when viewed from PC Collins vantage point outside the window looking in!

(2) Neville's body was neither behind or in front of any kitchen door when viewed (if it was possible at all to see his body) and if viewed by PC Collins via the kitchen window! His body was photographed slumped over an overturned chair with his head in a metal coal bucket at the left corner of the red painted aga mantelpiece surround..

(3) the relevant portion of police messages which cover the sighting of the dead female, when viewed in the kitchen by PC Collins from outside the kitchen window are missing (rather conveniently)! The first messages that show a true record of messages that were past, commence after the TFG had already entered the kitchen, and in all of these messages reference is made to the presence of two bodies being present inside the kitchen when cops entered the kitchen (not one body) 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, found on entry to kitchen' (7.37am) 'one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am) 'contact the police surgeon and Coroner's officer regarding two bodies' (7.42am) 'police are dealing with an incident at whf, involving a murder, and a suicide' (7.45am) - how can PC Collins explanation regarding a mix up involving one body be sorted out once the TFG entered the kitchen, yet thereafter messages are still being passed detailing a presence of two dead bodies, one male, one female, one a murder, the other a suicide? How can Neville Bambers death have been described as a suicide? Reference to a female body in the kitchen falls after mention already of the presence of a dead male (the body of the dead male must be reference to Neville Bamber), and the additional reference to the body of a female, a reference to Sheila Caffell. Neville Bambers death reported as a murder, and Sheila Caffells death being reported as a suicide! Therefore, there was no mix up involving only one body described as the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a mistake only rectified once PC Collins got into the kitchen! His explanation makes no sense, it doesn't ring true! This is because Neville Bambers death can only be described as a murder, you would be very hard pressed to convince anybody that he committed suicide (shot 8 times)...

And then of course, by 8.10am, only a further three bodies upstairs in the bedrooms..

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Senior officers decided upon the mindset to be adopted during the investigation! They decided on the five deaths being a case of four murders and a suicide, where Sheila shot and killed the other four victims, and then took her own life by shooting herself twice!
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Senior officers decided upon the mindset to be adopted during the investigation! They decided on the five deaths being a case of four murders and a suicide, where Sheila shot and killed the other four victims, and then took her own life by shooting herself twice!

This is despite the fact that she did not physically shoot herself twice, either downstairs in the kitchen, or upstairs in the main bedroom!
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Senior officers decided upon the mindset to be adopted during the investigation! They decided on the five deaths being a case of four murders and a suicide, where Sheila shot and killed the other four victims, and then took her own life by shooting herself twice!

Senior Officers decided during 'informatives', that the best way to proceed with the shootings of Sheila, once downstairs in the kitchen, and secondly upstairs in the main bedroom, was to present her death as a suicide, where she had shot herself twice with use of the same gun! They decided to present the double shooting as injuries that were self-inflicted, one shot following the other by a reliance on 'recoil' capable of occurring in semi-automatic weapons!!
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Senior Officers decided during 'informatives', that the best way to proceed with the shootings of Sheila, once downstairs in the kitchen, and secondly upstairs in the main bedroom, was to present her death as a suicide, where she had shot herself twice with use of the same gun! They decided to present the double shooting as injuries that were self-inflicted, one shot following the other by a reliance on 'recoil' capable of occurring in semi-automatic weapons!!
This approach was problematic for a number of different reasons, one of which the angles at which both shots had been received, making it unlikely that the two shots could have been self inflicted, one immediately following the other, by use of the same gun, and 'recoil'...

How had Sheila managed to shoot herself twice once with the rifle held more or less horizontal in fashion against her neck, followed by a second shot which was fired with the gun flush with the front of her body!!
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