Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!

[mike tesko]

Just a general quiz,

Which of the following will produce most back splatter?
A). Head shot at 2 inches
B) Chest shot at 8 inches
C) Foot shot from 12 inches
D) leg shot from 2 feet

Blood Splatter from a gunshot wound can travel horizontally about
A) 2 feet
B) 4 feet
C) 6 feet
D) 10 feet

We are asked to believe that the police shot Sheila not once but twice by two different weapons,
which is the absolute truth imagine the amount of people who would be involved in this cover up, what part of the cover up are you referring to?imagine the police officers who attended the crime scene telling their wife's how they found two little boys shot in quick succession with their thumbs still in their mouths, imagine what they went through, then they are told under no certain terms they are going to have to lie who did it. your way off the mark here, since the two little boys were shot whilst sleeping, one had his thumb in his mouth, but I don't know where you get the notion from that they told their wives or girlfriends that they had to lie about anything!For the rest of your life's you are going to cover up the fact police shot Sheila, that's something those in the know would have to live with in any event, they would be looking over their shoulders and rightly so! None of which would be Jeremy Bambers fault!not once but twice that is what the police documentation suggests did happen, again nothing whatsoever to do with Jeremy Bamber! Stop and try to think for a moment, how could Sheila's body be upstairs any time before 8.10am? Are you going to be blaming Jeremy because by 8.10am there were only three bodies upstairs? Oh, and how did the only rifle present upstairs and at the first floor box room window at 7.15am, end up with Sheila's body in time for PC Bird (SOCO) to photograph the same rifle in Sheila's possession by 10 O'clock? How do you fit Jeremy Bambers involvement into these circumstances!and then you are going to have to lie it depends what you mean by lying, by whom and what they might be lying about!and say Bamber did it but these cops didn't and don't say Bamber killed his sister, DCS 'Mick' Ainsley never attended the incident at whf, he was an outsider! even though we shot Sheila. Who shot Sheila, surely it was only two cops at most involved in the actual shooting of Sheila once downstairs, and a second time upstairs in the bedroom Put yourself in that position of being the wife or the police or even down to the person that accounts for police annumition ( police have to account for every bullet fired, filling many documents in) it was quickly stated to Bamber ALL his family had been FOUND dead, which is what Bews told Jeremy at 8.13am, but none of which proves Jeremy Bamber is the killer..for WHAT, to frame an innocent man Bews informing Jeremy Bamber that all his family was found dead was not told to him by any police officer who had shot his sister, PS Bews was not present inside the kitchen when Sheila got shot across the neck during a struggle involving a firearms officer, but Bews knew that two bodies (not one) had been found downstairs in the kitchen, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, and more importantly that by 8.10am that there were only three bodies found upstairs by that stage because the family wanted it that way? Again, your jumping the gun, and trying to make out that the relatives stance at this stage was down to Jeremy being the killer! The killer of whom, I might enquire, certainly not Sheila Caffell. Relatives were able to cause police to change the direction of the original investigation from being one of four murders and a suicide, into five murders, because of knowlege imparted to the relatives by DS 'Stan' Jones, and DC 'Mick' Clarke regarding June and Sheila's bodies being on the bed when viewed by Jones and Clarke before they left the scene to go to Jeremy's cottage, and the fact that during the inquests the bodies of both females had been photographed on the bedroom floor - of course any relative worth its weight in salt would be damn right angry that cops had been tampering with the location and position of the two female bodies! Relatives found out the truth, they know cops shot Sheila and they black mailed Essex police into prosecuting Jeremy Bamber as the killer! I understand that relatives believed that Jeremy was an accomplice of Sheila's in the killing of the other four victims...

I will agree with one some points, the silencer was used, it was hid and it had Sheila's blood in it.

[mike tesko]

In the Hillsboro' cover up, not all the police officers on duty at the stadium on 15 April 1989 knew about the witness statements of many police witness statements had been re-written, or edited and composite versions of statements had been created in some police officers names without the knowlege or consent of those individual officers!  The police officers responsible for this criminal activity had the knowlege of what they had done, but the named officers whose statements were 'doctored' had no such knowledge! Some cops got innocently caught up in a conspiracy run by a handful of bent coppers and a dodgy senior Crown Prosecution manager! 

Same type of corruption, different case, Bamber case and Hillsboro cover up!

[Roch]

Every person that attended WHF that morning would have gone back home and told their families relations etc what they had encountered that morning.

Hi Justice.  Those officers who inspected the scenes at close quarters will have been able to discern that Sheila Caffell was responsible for the killings.  Officers who did not study the scenes in detail - perhaps not.   

Some of the first officers in the farmhouse inspected the crime scenes close enough, to be able to notice that there was no gun on top of Sheila's body.  More than one officer noted that the rifle was not on Sheila's body.   All of these officers viewed and noted the scene before SOC photography.   Jeremy Bamber has been in prison over 30 years because of what is in the SOC photography.   How does that work?

[Roch]

I think, if they could get away with it... many guilters would argue that 'although the police placed the rifle on top of Sheila's body, it doesn't mean that Jeremy is innocent'.  But these same guilters know deep down, that this aspect cannot be accepted - because it would by default, grossly undermine Jeremy's conviction. 

So rather than being prepared to admit the poice did this - they deny it took place - because -  this is the only position they can realistically take - in order to continue to voice that Jeremy is guilty.

Am I right?  (chorus... "You're not wrong!").   

[Adam]

Hi Justice.  Those officers who inspected the scene at close quarters will have been able to discern that Sheila Caffell was responsible for the killings.  Officers who did not study the scenes in detail - perhaps not.   

Some of the first officers in the farmhouse inspected the crime scenes close enough, to be able to notice that there was no gun on top of Sheila's body.  More than one officer (that we know of so far) noted that the rifle was not on Sheila's body.   All of these officers viewed and noted the scene before SOC photography.   Jeremy Bamber has been in prison over 30 years because of what is in the SOC photography.   How does that work?

So the police shot Sheila. Twice. With the WHF rifle used for shooting vermin. Rather than their own guns.

Officers that entered WHF afterwards & before the crime scene photographer arrived saw Sheila without the rifle. Although only one officer 'that we know of' after 32 years knows of this.

The police then put the rifle on Sheila to make it look like murder/suicide. This tactic was successful but the police decided to frame Bamber a month later.

[lookout]

At the moment I'm reading the Attorney General's Guidelines on non-disclosure of evidence. ( online )

The more I read,the more I know that the prosecution is hiding something,including third parties such as forensics,social workers reports and schools.

[Adam]

No one's ever said why Sheila would kill 4 people between 3.10am/3.36am - 3.48am, then stay alive for the next 3 hours.

If she wanted to committ murder/suicide as supporters claim, she would kill herself straight after killing everyone else.

If she just wanted to kill everyone but stay alive, she had 3 hours to give herself up while the police were outside.

[Adam]

It seems Sheila wanted to committ murder/suicide, as claimed by supporters. However only committed murder.

After deciding not to committ suicide she chose not to give herself up to the police for 3 hours. Preferring to pretend to be dead in the kitchen.

The raid team then shot an unarmed Sheila with a WHF rifle for shooting vermin. Rather than their own guns.

The police then successfully made it look like murder/suicide before deciding to frame Bamber a month later.

It's all falling into place.

[guest7363]

Maybe we should have a vote on the forum - as to whose posts are the most boring - your or mine?   

BTW, I dont recall saying that the police definitely shot Sheila?  Get back to me when you can prove otherwise.

I don't believe the police shot Sheila either and I don't think Jeremy does?  My post is all about that episode Roch, you have to dismiss false accusations before you move on.

[guest7363]

Maybe we should have a vote on the forum - as to whose posts are the most boring - your or mine?   

BTW, I dont recall saying that the police definitely shot Sheila?  Get back to me when you can prove otherwise.

Lets do a trade deal Roch, one from each side lol

[Roch]

I don't believe the police shot Sheila either and I don't think Jeremy does?  My post is all about that episode Roch, you have to dismiss false accusations before you move on.

Mike used to claim that Jeremy chose the line of least resistance (in retaining the approach that Sheila inflicted both of her shots).  It doesn't seem to have made much difference to the level of resistance. 

[guest7363]

Unlike the hillsborouh tragedy, the police in the Bamber case have never been accused of causing the death or actually killing anyone and because it cannot be proved that Sheila shot her family or more so took her own life with 2 suicide shots and because people accept the silencer was used, the silencer was put back in the cupboard and Sheila's blood was in the silencer it had to be someone else who inflicted those shots to Sheila.

[Adam]

The OS says the police shot Sheila.

If all the trained raid team entered WHF with their high powered rifles,  I don't know how Sheila would end up with rifle shots from the WHF rifle used for shooting vermin.

Either Sheila was holding the rifle or the rifle was no where near her. Either way the raid team would either shoot her with their own guns, or not shoot her at all.

The.police would not touch another weapon to negate Sheila.

[buddy]

Unlike the hillsborouh tragedy, the police in the Bamber case have never been accused of causing the death or actually killing anyone and because it cannot be proved that Sheila shot her family or more so took her own life with 2 suicide shots and because people accept the silencer was used, the silencer was put back in the cupboard and Sheila's blood was in the silencer it had to be someone else who inflicted those shots to Sheila.

I don't think that the silencer was used.

[Caroline]

The OS says the police shot Sheila.

If all the trained raid team entered WHF with their high powered rifles,  I don't know how Sheila would end up with rifle shots from the WHF rifle used for shooting vermin.

Either Sheila was holding the rifle or the rifle was no where near her. Either way the raid team would either shoot her with their own guns, or not shoot her at all.

The.police would not touch another weapon.

Where does it say that?