Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!

[Caroline]

So the cops shot Sheila not once but twice?  She was a right tough women Sheila, she battered and killed Neville, killed everyone else, wrestled with the cops in the kitchen and gets shot under the chin, somehow manages to run upstairs and gets shot again with a different rifle while police stage managed her suicide?  Makes you wonder why they wanted to stage manage a suicide when she attacked the police in the kitchen and murdered all her family?

Taff notices that the rifle with silencer attached is too long and Sheila could not have shot herself, so he orders Stan to remove it and hide it, so Stan hides it and does as he is told, the two of them are not bothered what everyone else thinks,it doesn't matter they are risking their whole career to cover up for someone, there is only about 30 other people know about this silencer being on the rifle anyway.  So a meeting is held and everyone is told what to write nudge nudge wink wink Sheila committed suicide.

Then low and behold the bloody relatives find the silencer that had been hid, they notice blood on it and take it to the police.  So it's wasn't the relatives fault after all, anybody else would do the same thing, they are in the dark and don't know that Jones and Jones are behind it, so Jones and Jones send the silencer off to the Lab for tests realise Sheila's blood is in the silencer and panic, " were done"  says Taff, "were not" says Stan we can Blame Bamber.  Taff doesn't want to go along with this because that would be lying and it was Sheila who committed suicide he knows the truth.  Hang on a minute Taff the police shot Sheila sas Stan, can't we just frame Bamber says Stan, yes but that's not the truth says Taff, Sheila committed suicide with two shots from the police.  So even though Taff new the truth he was lying all the time?

Excellent post Justice!

[mike tesko]

Let's put names to the people it can be proven knew there were two bodies in the kitchen, one dead male, one dead female, one a murder, the other a suicide between 7.35am and 7.45am, and that there were only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am - we know this because it's documented by the police themselves...

DCI Terry Gibbons, PS Bews, PC Myalls, and PS Saxby!!

So, we know that at least these four individuals knew that Sheila's body was downstairs in the kitchen prior to it arriving upstairs in the main bedroom after 8.10am! I don't think it's necessary to have to identify anyone else involved in the cover up, these four named identified coppers are sufficient enough to do the job!

[mike tesko]

So the cops shot Sheila not once but twice?  She was a right tough women Sheila, she battered and killed Neville, killed everyone else, wrestled with the cops in the kitchen and gets shot under the chin, somehow manages to run upstairs and gets shot again with a different rifle while police stage managed her suicide?  Makes you wonder why they wanted to stage manage a suicide when she attacked the police in the kitchen and murdered all her family?

How do you in your infinite wisdom explain the reports of there being two dead bodies, 'can you contact the police surgeon regarding two dead bodies, 1 dead male, 1 dead female' (7.35am) 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found in kitchen upon entry' (7.37am), 'one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am), 'a murder and a suicide' (7.45am), and 'there' only being a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'(8.10am) - how does any of this fit in with your idea of the truth?Taff notices that the rifle with silencer attached is too long and Sheila could not have shot herself, so he orders Stan to remove it and hide it, so Stan hides it and does as he is told, the two of them are not bothered what everyone else thinks,it doesn't matter they are risking their whole career to cover up for someone, there is only about 30 other people know about this silencer being on the rifle anyway.  So a meeting is held and everyone is told what to write nudge nudge wink wink Sheila committed suicide. your logic is garbage!Then low and behold the bloody relatives find the silencer that had been hid, they notice blood on it and take it to the police. which is what the prosecutions case alleged, only rather than DS Jones hiding the silencer in the gun cupboard on evening of 9 August, their case was that Jeremy hid it there on the night of the murders two days earlier! So it's wasn't the relatives fault after all, anybody else would do the same thing, they are in the dark and don't know that Jones and Jones are behind it, so Jones and Jones send the silencer off to the Lab for tests realise Sheila's blood is in the silencer and panic, " were done"  says Taff, "were not" says Stan we can Blame Bamber. No, it didn't pan out like that, the complete truth of this matter is outlined elsewhere in this thread!  Taff doesn't want to go along with this because that would be lying and it was Sheila who committed suicide he knows the truth. it depends what you think you mean when you say that 'Taff' Jones knew Sheila had committed suicide! Since, the second shot which killed her off was inflicted without any involvement or knowlege on Sheila Caffells part! Hang on a minute Taff the police shot Sheila sas Stan, can't we just frame Bamber says Stan, yes but that's not the truth says Taff, Sheila committed suicide with two shots from the police. that's just the point, she didn't commit suicide, so that kind of makes a complete nonsense of your attempt to appear clever..   So even though Taff new the truth he was lying all the time? he knew the truth that Jeremy had not shot and killed his sister, that's all he needed to know as far as that s concerned! As for being part of a lie in the bigger picture, it's what police do, they back eachother up when they have to, even when it's a lie they are seeking to promote! You can't blame Jeremy for that part of a policeman psyche...

The truth is there for all to see!

Two bodies downstairs in the kitchen, three bodies upstairs in the bedrooms!

[Caroline]

The truth is there for all to see!

Two bodies downstairs in the kitchen, three bodies upstairs in the bedrooms!

It certainly is!

[lookout]

It certainly is!

But it's your truth,Caroline,that's being brought into question,is it not ?

[mike tesko]

How did DCI 'Terry' Gibbons know there was one dead male, and one dead female in the kitchen upon entry, (7.35am) before the occupants of CA07, passed the now known about police radio message from the scene to the control room, at 7.37am?

[Caroline]

But it's your truth,Caroline,that's being brought into question,is it not ?

Sorry? There is only ONE truth Lookout.

[mike tesko]

How did DCI 'Terry' Gibbons know there was one dead male, and one dead female in the kitchen upon entry, (7.35am) before the occupants of CA07, passed the now known about police radio message from the scene to the control room, at 7.37am?

So, DCI Terry's Gibbons knew (7.35am) that there were two dead bodies in the kitchen, before the occupants of CA07 reported the same (7.37am)!!

[lookout]

Sorry? There is only ONE truth Lookout.

Of course there is.

[guest7363]

The truth is there for all to see!

Two bodies downstairs in the kitchen, three bodies upstairs in the bedrooms!

And you don't think your logic is garbage?

MIKES earlier post

The parker hale silencer belonging to the anshuzt rifle was 'not fitted' to the barrel end of the anshuzt rifle prior to the shootings, it wasn't attached during the shootings, and nobody removed it after the shootings, because it was 'never' attached.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3132.0;attach=38128

At 8.13 am he was informed ALL his family are dead, his father, his Mother his Sisiter and his two nephews, were ALL found dead.    No wonder Bamber doesn't agree with you that the police shot SHEILA

So at 8.15am after the house had been raided and inspected, Gibbons had a word with Bews and Bews made his way to Bamber who was away from the farm and told him all his family had been FOUND dead.

So in this short time they had decided to do a cover up?

[mike tesko]

So, DCI Terry's Gibbons knew (7.35am) that there were two dead bodies in the kitchen, before the occupants of CA07 reported the same (7.37am)!!

'Terry' Gibbons was located inside the forward control point in a nearby outbuilding to the farmhouse at 7.35am! He was known to be in the company there of DCI 'George' Harris, PI 'Ivor' Montgomery, and PS Adams (the firearm operational Commander)! It stands to reason and logic that Gibbons received information regarding the existence of the two bodies situated inside the kitchen, from another source, namely via the raid teams communication equipment (radios) fastened to the shoulders of the six man raid party! Somebody from inside the kitchen prior to 7.37am, passed a message via the operational hand / shoulder sets, that two bodies were present inside the kitchen, not one! Two bodies, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, which caused DCI 'Terry' Gibbons to instruct that confirmation of this be relayed back to the control room for the police surgeon, and the Coroner's officer, to be notified of the two dead bodies, One dead male, one dead female (7.35am)! If such information was transmitted from an officer inside the kitchen of the farmhouse to the forward control point in a nearby outbuilding, then of course, not only would all the firearm officers who had entered the kitchen by that stage know, but so too would all the person's holes up in the forward control point also have heard, or known of the fact that two bodies had been present in the kitchen since before or prior to the occupants of CA07 relayed similar information from the scene at 7.37am back to the control room in Chelmsford! Insofar as, those present inside the forward control point, included, DCI 'Terry' Gibbons, DCI 'George' Harris, A DCI Clarke, PI 'Ivor' Montgomery, and PS Adams...

[mike tesko]

And you don't think your logic is garbage? my logic is better than yours will ever be!

MIKES earlier post

The parker hale silencer belonging to the anshuzt rifle was 'not fitted' to the barrel end of the anshuzt rifle prior to the shootings, it wasn't attached during the shootings, and nobody removed it after the shootings, because it was 'never' attached.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3132.0;attach=38128

At 8.13 am he was informed ALL his family are dead, his father, his Mother his Sisiter and his two nephews, were ALL found dead. at that stage and up to 8.10am, there were only three bodies upstairs,and two bodies downstairs!    No wonder Bamber doesn't agree with you that the police shot SHEILA it's irrelevant what Jeremy Bamber thinks or believes happened! He obviously does not agree with a lot of what alot of people say about his case! How would Jeremy know that cops hadn't shot Sheila,if she died in the main bedroom after 8.10am? Bambers beliefs are no more believable or acceptable than any body elses opinion on the matter, if he wasn't the person who killed his family! My logic is far more superior to his, his views don't carry any more weight than mine or anybody elses providing he isn't the killer!

So at 8.15am after the house had been raided and inspected, Gibbons had a word with Bews and Bews made his way to Bamber who was away from the farm and told him all his family had been FOUND dead. two bodies downstairs, and three bodies upstairs by this stage, and PS Bews was a member of CA07 which past the key police radio messages, timed at 7.37am, 7.38am, and 8.10am, confirming two bodies downstairs. And only three bodies upstairs! So, your point is rather mute, don't you agree! Since, how does the fact of'Terry' Gibbons requesting PS Bews at 8.13am to go and tell Jeremy that all his family are dead in any way prove there was only one dead body in the kitchen, and four dead bodies upstairs? What sort of logic sre you applying then?  By 8.13am PS Bews and the other occupants of CA07 had already past messages that there were two dead bodies in the kitchen upon entry, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (7.37am), one dead male, one dead female (7.38am), and that 'a furyher three bodies had been found upstairs by 8.10am, so prey enlighten me and please explain in basic English where there exists any evidence at all for that body count to have become altered by the displacement of one female body from the kitchen to the bedroom in a three minute period (8.10am to 8.13am)?

So in this short time they had decided to do a cover up? Hang on, so based on your logic, your implying that because DCi 'Terry' Gibbons told PS Bews to go and have a word with Jeremy at 8.13am to inform him that all his family had been found dead inside the farmhouse, that this in some way proves Sheila's body was upstairs by that stage, when the documentary police evidence confirms that 'Terry' Gibbons himself had already instructed that the control room be contacted at 7.35am to inform the police surgeon, and the Coroner's Officer, be contacted regarding two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female' and that the occupants of CA07 (which includes Ps Bews) had passed messages, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, found in kitchen upon entry' (7.37am), 'one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am), and 'a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total' (8.10am)?

[David1819]

And you don't think your logic is garbage?

Who's that guy who believes JB is guilty. Because some guy at a wedding told him so? 

[Jane]

Who's that guy who believes JB is guilty. Because some guy at a wedding told him so? 

So having said "It's just my way of dealing with those who are not here for serious debate", as Justice clearly IS here for "serious debate" but is neither troll nor dimwit, are we to assume you regard as being such, anyone who doesn't agree with you?

[Caroline]

Who's that guy who believes JB is guilty. Because some guy at a wedding told him so? 

Didn't you once agree with Justice?