Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!

[mike tesko]

The crime scene photographs depicting Sheila's body on the bedroom floor in possession of the silencerless anshuzt rifle with the muzzle of the barrel end either resting alongside the left of her neck, or hovering in close proximity to the general area of her chin where the two bullet winds are situated, were stage managed photographs, staged to lend credence to senior officers whim to treat Sheila's death as a suicide, she having shot herself twice! How could the anshuzt rifle with its silencer fitted have been resting against a first floor box room window at and from 7.15am, and then also be in the possession of Sheila's body inside the main bedroom, at one and the same time?

It couldn't have been in two different parts of the farmhouse at the same time, can it?

[mike tesko]

The actual raid of the farmhouse was fabricated with a reliance upon the position of Sheila's body as set by 10 O'clock that morning. PC Bird captured the images, and during a debriefing held at Witham later that same evening, senior officers instructed them to fill out their reports based upon the location captured in PC Birds photographs, as though cops had found all the bodies as shown!

[guest7363]

So the cops shot Sheila not once but twice?  She was a right tough women Sheila, she battered and killed Neville, killed everyone else, wrestled with the cops in the kitchen and gets shot under the chin, somehow manages to run upstairs and gets shot again with a different rifle while police stage managed her suicide?  Makes you wonder why they wanted to stage manage a suicide when she attacked the police in the kitchen and murdered all her family?

Taff notices that the rifle with silencer attached is too long and Sheila could not have shot herself, so he orders Stan to remove it and hide it, so Stan hides it and does as he is told, the two of them are not bothered what everyone else thinks,it doesn't matter they are risking their whole career to cover up for someone, there is only about 30 other people know about this silencer being on the rifle anyway.  So a meeting is held and everyone is told what to write nudge nudge wink wink Sheila committed suicide.

Then low and behold the bloody relatives find the silencer that had been hid, they notice blood on it and take it to the police.  So it's wasn't the relatives fault after all, anybody else would do the same thing, they are in the dark and don't know that Jones and Jones are behind it, so Jones and Jones send the silencer off to the Lab for tests realise Sheila's blood is in the silencer and panic, " were done"  says Taff, "were not" says Stan we can Blame Bamber.  Taff doesn't want to go along with this because that would be lying and it was Sheila who committed suicide he knows the truth.  Hang on a minute Taff the police shot Sheila sas Stan, can't we just frame Bamber says Stan, yes but that's not the truth says Taff, Sheila committed suicide with two shots from the police.  So even though Taff new the truth he was lying all the time?

[Jane]

So the cops shot Sheila not once but twice?  She was a right tough women Sheila, she battered and killed Neville, killed everyone else, wrestled with the cops in the kitchen and gets shot under the chin, somehow manages to run upstairs and gets shot again with a different rifle while police stage managed her suicide?  Makes you wonder why they wanted to stage manage a suicide when she attacked the police in the kitchen and murdered all her family?

Taff notices that the rifle with silencer attached is too long and Sheila could not have shot herself, so he orders Stan to remove it and hide it, so Stan hides it and does as he is told, the two of them are not bothered what everyone else thinks,it doesn't matter they are risking their whole career to cover up for someone, there is only about 30 other people know about this silencer being on the rifle anyway.  So a meeting is held and everyone is told what to write nudge nudge wink wink Sheila committed suicide.

Then low and behold the bloody relatives find the silencer that had been hid, they notice blood on it and take it to the police.  So it's wasn't the relatives fault after all, anybody else would do the same thing, they are in the dark and don't know that Jones and Jones are behind it, so Jones and Jones send the silencer off to the Lab for tests realise Sheila's blood is in the silencer and panic, " were done"  says Taff, "were not" says Stan we can Blame Bamber.  Taff doesn't want to go along with this because that would be lying and it was Sheila who committed suicide he knows the truth.  Hang on a minute Taff the police shot Sheila sas Stan, can't we just frame Bamber says Stan, yes but that's not the truth says Taff, Sheila committed suicide with two shots from the police.  So even though Taff new the truth he was lying all the time?

The voice of sanity. GREAT post, Justice.

[David1819]

That's  how I thought her was on the first shot and prone on the brain shot.

Second shot follows a second after the first. Cylindrical grip on the barrel pulls the trigger into her finger/fingers as her upper body begins to fall backwards.

[Adam]

Second shot follows a second after the first. Cylindrical grip on the barrel pulls the trigger into her finger/fingers as her upper body begins to fall backwards.

I thought Sheila was leaning against the bedside cabinet when she shot herself. Twice.

[David1819]

I thought Sheila was leaning against the bedside cabinet when she shot herself. Twice.

You thought wrong.

[Adam]

You thought wrong.

Yes I can see that. Now you're diagram is up.

[guest2181]

Second shot follows a second after the first. Cylindrical grip on the barrel pulls the trigger into her finger/fingers as her upper body begins to fall backwards.

One wonders where the bible is at this point. 

[Adam]

One wonders where the bible is at this point. 

I hope David provides his 5th scenario soon. Which he said he is working on. Rather than just XXXXXXXX around the forum putting random diagrams, pictures & videos up.

I know his other 4 scenarios were appalling & a poster on Red even copied & pasted one particulary bad one.  But he's been working on his 5th scenario for 5 months. So it's surely ready.

Don't know why after 32 years it's so hard to create a Sheila scenario to match the crime scene & phone calls.

[lookout]

One wonders where the bible is at this point. 

2 Bibles.

[mike tesko]

So the cops shot Sheila not once but twice?  She was a right tough women Sheila, she battered and killed Neville, killed everyone else, wrestled with the cops in the kitchen and gets shot under the chin, somehow manages to run upstairs and gets shot again with a different rifle while police stage managed her suicide?  Makes you wonder why they wanted to stage manage a suicide when she attacked the police in the kitchen and murdered all her family?

How do you in your infinite wisdom explain the reports of there being two dead bodies, 'can you contact the police surgeon regarding two dead bodies, 1 dead male, 1 dead female' (7.35am) 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found in kitchen upon entry' (7.37am), 'one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am), 'a murder and a suicide' (7.45am), and 'there' only being a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'(8.10am) - how does any of this fit in with your idea of the truth?Taff notices that the rifle with silencer attached is too long and Sheila could not have shot herself, so he orders Stan to remove it and hide it, so Stan hides it and does as he is told, the two of them are not bothered what everyone else thinks,it doesn't matter they are risking their whole career to cover up for someone, there is only about 30 other people know about this silencer being on the rifle anyway.  So a meeting is held and everyone is told what to write nudge nudge wink wink Sheila committed suicide. your logic is garbage!Then low and behold the bloody relatives find the silencer that had been hid, they notice blood on it and take it to the police. which is what the prosecutions case alleged, only rather than DS Jones hiding the silencer in the gun cupboard on evening of 9 August, their case was that Jeremy hid it there on the night of the murders two days earlier! So it's wasn't the relatives fault after all, anybody else would do the same thing, they are in the dark and don't know that Jones and Jones are behind it, so Jones and Jones send the silencer off to the Lab for tests realise Sheila's blood is in the silencer and panic, " were done"  says Taff, "were not" says Stan we can Blame Bamber. No, it didn't pan out like that, the complete truth of this matter is outlined elsewhere in this thread!  Taff doesn't want to go along with this because that would be lying and it was Sheila who committed suicide he knows the truth. it depends what you think you mean when you say that 'Taff' Jones knew Sheila had committed suicide! Since, the second shot which killed her off was inflicted without any involvement or knowlege on Sheila Caffells part! Hang on a minute Taff the police shot Sheila sas Stan, can't we just frame Bamber says Stan, yes but that's not the truth says Taff, Sheila committed suicide with two shots from the police. that's just the point, she didn't commit suicide, so that kind of makes a complete nonsense of your attempt to appear clever..   So even though Taff new the truth he was lying all the time? he knew the truth that Jeremy had not shot and killed his sister, that's all he needed to know as far as that s concerned! As for being part of a lie in the bigger picture, it's what police do, they back eachother up when they have to, even when it's a lie they are seeking to promote! You can't blame Jeremy for that part of a policeman psyche...

[Caroline]

2 Bibles.

Just one Lookout, just one.

[mike tesko]

When interviewed by the COLP investigators, PS Adams told them that when speaking to PC Collins in the bedroom at around 9 am, they believed it appeared that June and Sheila had both been Bible reading before the shootings started! Therefore, the inference is that there must have been two Bibles in the main bedroom, not one! Additionally, the house cleaners described a total of four Bibles that she knew about existed inside the farmhouse, one f which has not officially been accounted for, although the relatives were handed one of these Bibles back!

[mike tesko]

Let's put names to the people it can be proven knew there were two bodies in the kitchen, one dead male, one dead female, one a murder, the other a suicide between 7.35am and 7.45am, and that there were only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am - we know this because it's documented by the police themselves...

DCI Terry Gibbons, PS Bews, PC Myalls, and PS Saxby!!