Author Topic: Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!  (Read 78668 times)

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Offline David1819

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It's a pity we cant sit the figure on the left up - so as to see what it looks like regarding angles / trajectories.



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Jeremy Bamber was / is the victim of a conspiracy to make him the killer! There is no scientific, Ballistic, or exhibited item which cannot be explained away satisfactorily, that makes him the stand out killer in this case! For example, Sheila's blood inside the silencer - it got there when cops brought the anshuzt rifle from the first floor box room window to Sheila's body on the bedroom floor. At this time the anshuzt rifle was fitted with the said silencer! After the weapon so configured was presented to Sheila's body as part of police 'informatives' the second fatal shot was received under the chin with the length of the weapon resting on top of her body, with muzzle of silencer in contact with the flesh around the chin area. Sheila's blood got into the silencer at that stage by a process of backspatter! The time of the second shot (bullet PV/19) occurred at exactly 9.13am that morning. The bullet which killed her at this moment was fired via the family owned anshuzt rifle fitted with the silencer. That weapon with its silencer did not inflict the first shot (the original PV/20 bullet) fired across the throat which occurred during a struggle with the gunman as cops forced their way into the kitchen, coming around the opening edge of an internal kitchen door! The struggle spilled into the kitchen itself, with Sheila and the cop fighting over possession of the cops weapon. Two different guns were responsible for the shooting of Sheila Caffell, a cop weapon downstairs in the kitchen which was spoken about as a suicide because the cop that shot her said that Sheila appeared to be trying to pull the muzzle end of his weapon in towards her head when the trigger of his gun got activated amidst the tugging and pulling, this way then that by Sheila and the cop. It was just a coincidence that the original shot was fired across her throat. It did so because Sheila and the cop were engaged in a frantic struggle over the control of the barrel of the cops gun! An 'Officers Report' covers the full circumstances of that shooting incident in the kitchen! When the cop returned his weapon and ammunition to the force Armoury later that morning, one round short, a full explanation had to be given as to why one bullet was missing in the officers cache of issued ammunition! There was an internal police investigation into the use of that bullet and it's discharge in the kitchen at the farmhouse! The 'Officers Report', aforementioned, was created and produced in respect of that internal police investigation into the discharge of a cops gun during the attempt to bring the seige situation to a conclusion! The report gives an accurate and factual account surrounding the shooting of Sheila Caffell downstairs in the kitchen, facts which were recorded in police message logs around 7.37am, 7.38am, and 7.45am, detailing the find /report of two bodies being present in the kitchen, not one! One of the two bodies being a male (Neville Bamber) the second body being described as a female (which could only have been reference to Sheila Caffell, because according to evidence elsewhere June Bambers bullet riddled body never left the confines of her own bedroom after she was shot, once, twice, three times, four times, five times, six times, and for a seventh time). By 7.45am, staff back in the control room had the knowlege that one of these two bodies was being referred to as a murder, whilst the second body in the kitchen was being talked of in terms of that death being a suicide! The only death of the five victims which could be described as possibly being a suicide was the death of Sheila Caffell, all the other four victims were clearly murdered! At the time Sheila's body was being spoken about as a suicide (by 7.45am) she only had one bullet wound in her throat ( the shot which went across her neck) which hardly bled at all externally. This lack of bleeding after the cop shot her may have caused the police to believe (mistakenly) that she was dead! There is no doubt whatsoever that between 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.45am, and 8.10am, that Sheila Caffells body was present downstairs in the kitchen, and absent in its entireity from being present anywhere upstairs in the farmhouse because during this entire period since there were only three bodies upstairs (June Bambers, and the two child victims) until around 8.15 to 8.30am that morning! The details surrounding this are retained as part of the internal police investigation into the shooting incident in the kitchen to which the aforementioned 'Officers Report' relates! Police over the years since the tragedy inside the farmhouse took place, have tried to mislead the public into thinking there had been some sort of a mistake, or confusion over the identity of one body in the kitchen by claiming that PC Collins reported seeing the body of a female behind the kitchen door, from his vantage point outside the kitchen window, which later turned out to be the body of Neville Bamber, once he entered the kitchen! That account cannot be true, for a number of reasons, the chief one of which is that there is no way on god's blue earth that Neville Bambers death could be spoken about in terms of his death being reported as a suicide, since he had been shot, once, twice, three times, four times, five times, six times, seven times, and possibly an eighth time! Additionally, if it had been the mix up that PC Collins has us believe, how come that by the conclusion of the first part of the firearm operation inside the farmhouse (7.30am to 8.10am) when PS Adams was Commander of the operation that there were only three bodies present upstairs in the bedrooms, not four?
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The original argument that with the silencer fitted to the rifles barrel the weapon would have been too long to enable Sheila Caffell to shoot herself with use of it originated from senior officers who gathered around Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor during 'informatives', at which stage they realised that they could not account for the only bullet entry wound in Sheila's throat having been inflicted with use of the aforementioned rifle and silencer because it was too long!
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The original argument that with the silencer fitted to the rifles barrel the weapon would have been too long to enable Sheila Caffell to shoot herself with use of it originated from senior officers who gathered around Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor during 'informatives', at which stage they realised that they could not account for the only bullet entry wound in Sheila's throat having been inflicted with use of the aforementioned rifle and silencer because it was too long!

After the anshuzt rifle was brought to Sheila's body in the main bedroom from the box room window, and Sheila received the second fatal shot beneath the chin which pentrated her brain, cops removed the silencer and staged Sheila Caffells death scene on the bedroom floor in possession of the silencerless anshuzt rifle, before allowing SOCO into the bedroom to take control of the scene! Cops removed the silencer from the gun barrel because it was too long, not Sheila herself, not Jeremy Bamber, not any as yet unidentified killer or assassin, the cops removed the silencer from the gun! They didn't hide it in the gun cupboard downstairs, nobody hid it at that stage. DS 'Stan' Jones returned to the farmhouse from Jeremy's cottage that morning and took it away (SBJ/1), along with a further three exhibits (SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4). It was kept on DCI 'Taff' Jones desk in his office at Witham police station until 9th August 1985 at which point Jones and Jones went to see Jeremy at his cottage and questioned him amongst other things about the silencer! They wanted to know if it was fitted to the barrel of the rifle he had possession of on the eve of the shootings? 'No', he said, 'the silencer was not fitted to the gun barrel when he saw and handled the rifle on that occasion'! Later that same evening, Jones and Jones, took the silencer with them to whf when they handed the keys to the farmhouse over to Ann Eaton and gave her a running commentary in each room where things had happenned! At this time 'Stan' Jones took the opportunity to slip the silencer (SBJ/1) into the gun cupboard!
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After the anshuzt rifle was brought to Sheila's body in the main bedroom from the box room window, and Sheila received the second fatal shot beneath the chin which pentrated her brain, cops removed the silencer and staged Sheila Caffells death scene on the bedroom floor in possession of the silencerless anshuzt rifle, before allowing SOCO into the bedroom to take control of the scene! Cops removed the silencer from the gun barrel because it was too long, not Sheila herself, not Jeremy Bamber, not any as yet unidentified killer or assassin, the cops removed the silencer from the gun! They didn't hide it in the gun cupboard downstairs, nobody hid it at that stage. DS 'Stan' Jones returned to the farmhouse from Jeremy's cottage that morning and took it away (SBJ/1), along with a further three exhibits (SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4). It was kept on DCI 'Taff' Jones desk in his office at Witham police station until 9th August 1985 at which point Jones and Jones went to see Jeremy at his cottage and questioned him amongst other things about the silencer! They wanted to know if it was fitted to the barrel of the rifle he had possession of on the eve of the shootings? 'No', he said, 'the silencer was not fitted to the gun barrel when he saw and handled the rifle on that occasion'! Later that same evening, Jones and Jones, took the silencer with them to whf when they handed the keys to the farmhouse over to Ann Eaton and gave her a running commentary in each room where things had happenned! At this time 'Stan' Jones took the opportunity to slip the silencer (SBJ/1) into the gun cupboard!

David Boutflour recovered this silencer on the following day (10 August 1985), it had already got Sheila Caffells blood inside it! A presence of Sheila's blood inside the silencer does not prove that Jeremy Bamber must be the killer! What it does prove is that somebody did remove the silencer from the end of the guns barrel after Sheila had already been shot and killed , she couldn't have done it herself because she would have been dead by the time the second shot got inflicted!

Cops removed the silencer from the gun, because they wouldn't have been able to proceed with the argument that the same weapon had fired both shots into Sheila's throat, because the rifle with its silencer fitted was too long to have caused one of the two wounds there! By removing the silencer, it paved the way for cops to proceed on the footing that the silencerless anshuzt rifle had fired both shots!
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By the time the matter came to trial in October 1986, the prosecution were well versed in alleging that Bamber had made the mistake of using the silencer on the gun when shooting his sister because after he had shot her he realised that with the silencer fitted onto the rifles barrel that the weapon was too long to allow Sheila to shoot herself with use of it, so he removed it and hid it in the gun cupboard downstairs! None of which was true, because cops had removed the silencer themselves for these very same reasons, and cops had placed the silencer back in the gun cupboard on evening 9 August 1985, not Jeremy!!
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That can be done in 3D!  ;D

But how do you know which angle she was sitting up at?

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By the time the matter came to trial in October 1986, the prosecution were well versed in alleging that Bamber had made the mistake of using the silencer on the gun when shooting his sister because after he had shot her he realised that with the silencer fitted onto the rifles barrel that the weapon was too long to allow Sheila to shoot herself with use of it, so he removed it and hid it in the gun cupboard downstairs! None of which was true, because cops had removed the silencer themselves for these very same reasons, and cops had placed the silencer back in the gun cupboard on evening 9 August 1985, not Jeremy!!
So what you are saying it was Jones and Jones who planted the silencer in the cupboard for the relatives to find?  Your accepting it was Sheila's blood in the silencer through being shot with the anshulzt rifle, if she was shot with the silencer on and Jones and Jones was aware about it, no one planted Sheila's blood in the silencer (relatives or police).  Big decision by Jones and Jones to first not use the silencer as evidence, hide it and hope no one ever says it was on the rifle and then send it off for evidence when the relatives hand it in?

Here's what you thought on earlier threads

The parker hale silencer belonging to the anshuzt rifle was 'not fitted' to the barrel end of the anshuzt rifle prior to the shootings, it wasn't attached during the shootings, and nobody removed it after the shootings, because it was 'never' attached.

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But how do you know which angle she was sitting up at?

No one knows that, whch is why these things are simply a best guess but could be way off.
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So what you are saying it was Jones and Jones who planted the silencer in the cupboard for the relatives to find?  Your accepting it was Sheila's blood in the silencer through being shot with the anshulzt rifle, if she was shot with the silencer on and Jones and Jones was aware about it, no one planted Sheila's blood in the silencer (relatives or police).  Big decision by Jones and Jones to first not use the silencer as evidence, hide it and hope no one ever says it was on the rifle and then send it off for evidence when the relatives hand it in?

Here's what you thought on earlier threads

The parker hale silencer belonging to the anshuzt rifle was 'not fitted' to the barrel end of the anshuzt rifle prior to the shootings, it wasn't attached during the shootings, and nobody removed it after the shootings, because it was 'never' attached.

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Offline David1819

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But how do you know which angle she was sitting up at?

How else would/could she be sitting?

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How else would/could she be sitting?
That's  how I thought her was on the first shot and prone on the brain shot.

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Would she not have automatically jolted backwards after the force of the shots ? A bit awkward sitting up against the cabinet.  Wouldn't she have slumped sideways rather than how she'd been found ?

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By the time the matter came to trial in October 1986, the prosecution were well versed in alleging that Bamber had made the mistake of using the silencer on the gun when shooting his sister because after he had shot her he realised that with the silencer fitted onto the rifles barrel that the weapon was too long to allow Sheila to shoot herself with use of it, so he removed it and hid it in the gun cupboard downstairs! None of which was true, because cops had removed the silencer themselves for these very same reasons, and cops had placed the silencer back in the gun cupboard on evening 9 August 1985, not Jeremy!!

'Stan' Jones took control of the silencer from the guns barrel at the scene late morning when he returned to the farmhouse to take control of it acting on the instructions of DCI 'Taff' Jones, who knew the truth about its use with the anshuzt rifle brought from the box room window into the main bedroom whilst senior officers performed 'informatives' around Sheila's body which had only been shot once by that stage! The silencer had to be taken off the barrel of the rifle because with the silencer fitted it was impossible for cops to suggest that it had fired the original shot across the neck because the distance from the weapons trigger to the muzzle end of the silencer fitted onto the barrel of the rifle was too long, it could not be accommodated as having been the gun which had fired that original shot! Things deteriorated dramatically once the anshuzt rifle with its silencer still fitted to the end of its barrel discharged the second fatal shot beneath her chin because then cops were faced with the problem of Sheila having been shot by two different guns, initially downstairs in the kitchen she got shot by a bullet from a police issue weapon during a struggle to gain control of the firearm officers rifle! The second time she got shot in the bedroom, it was by use of the anshuzt rifle with silencer fitted! Police found themselves in a dilemma! What were they to do? What did they do?
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Would she not have automatically jolted backwards after the force of the shots ? A bit awkward sitting up against the cabinet.  Wouldn't she have slumped sideways rather than how she'd been found ?

An expert in the 2002 appeal said her legs were pulled after the second shot. Thread created.
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