Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[Steve_uk]

One of the conundrums with a guilty JB scenario is how Sheila was seemingly easily coerced to lay down and be shot without a struggle, and if this whole 'framing Sheila' plan was premeditated, how could JB have been so confident that the option to do so would be achievable.

Sheila being in a medicated unresponsive state is suggested to overcome this hurdle.

She was woken in the middle of the night and probably led by the hand or at gunpoint and spun a tale of intruders, a story which lasted a matter of seconds and Sheila in her fragile state totally unawares. The two shots scenario suggests to me that all was done in a rush, which is why the mistake was made.

[Lucy522]

So Nevill was shot by Sheila & then spent 5/10 minutes ringing up Bamber & EP ?

It said in the statement apparently Neville sounded distressed on the phone, didn't need to take up to 10 mins at all

[guest2181]

Adam could you give me a link for these statements please

[Adam]

If bamber shot her why wait a while for the second shot! Why not finish it there and then? Or Sheila could of shot her self and sat there dazed and in tremendous pain and shot herself again to finish it off.

How do you know when Bamber fired the second shot ?

You can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre. Although I generously said you can pretend Sheila was not on Haloperidol.

[Adam]

It said in the statement apparently Neville sounded distressed on the phone, didn't need to take up to 10 mins at all

Bamber said he was 'sleeping like a log'. So several minutes. Then another 5 minutes giving EP details. Nevill could not speak after the upstairs shots.

At least you have started a scenario. Nevill made the phone calls after being shot.

[Lucy522]

How do you know when Bamber fired the second shot ?

You can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre. Although I generously said you can pretend Sheila was not on Haloperidol.

Adam you can't make up stuff to suit you, as already agreed I have never said Sheila wasn't on haloperidol, you can't explain it either as you weren't there, neither was I, stop getting so irate and read things properly, no need for me to pretend anything at all.

[Adam]

Adam you can't make up stuff to suit you, as already agreed I have never said Sheila wasn't on haloperidol, you can't explain it either as you weren't there, neither was I, stop getting so irate and read things properly, no need for me to pretend anything at all.

I've given a scenario of how Bamber committed the massacre. It matches the crime scene.

[Lucy522]

I've given a scenario of how Bamber committed the massacre. It matches the crime scene.

Okay then, explain why Neville was rude on the phone earlier in the evening which was unheard of? Sheila was off on the phone to her aunt, her bed wasn't slept in and witness said something was going on that night, when Jeremy wasn't there?

[Lucy522]

Bamber said he was 'sleeping like a log'. So several minutes. Then another 5 minutes giving EP details. Nevill could not speak after the upstairs shots.

At least you have started a scenario. Nevill made the phone calls after being shot.

I don't get this though, because phones only ring a certain amount of times before the line goes dead?.

[Steve_uk]

Agreed, god knows what would go through someone's mind in this situation, I feel though as a mother myself you would of had to kill me to get to my children I would of fought for them, why wasn't she in their room? Why did she run out and leave them? Unless she knew they were dead? Why were they still sleeping soundly with one still sucking their  thumb? (I get goosebumps writing that it's so horrendous), how on earth did they not wake up? There was shots being fired, and physical fights it would of been very loud. This bit Troubles me.

Possibly because they were killed first. Jeremy had time to check the routine from the Sunday night so despatched them quickly. He would not have wanted them running around the landing. It is such a shocking crime which is why he will never be released.

[Roch]

This is what I'm leaning towards. There would be no going back after that.

Can you imagine June's reaction - upon realising that Sheila had possibly shot the twins?

[Jane]

Okay then, explain why Neville was rude on the phone earlier in the evening which was unheard of? Sheila was off on the phone to her aunt, her bed wasn't slept in and witness said something was going on that night, when Jeremy wasn't there?

If Sheila had 'morphed' into the teenaged girl she'd once been -argumentative, belligerent, uncooperative- sullen- it's perfectly possible that Nevill, after working all day, was fed up to the back teeth.

[Steve_uk]

No Adam, if she couldn't get off the sofa how was she clothes shopping with the boys and June? Why was she left unsupervised with her children? How utterly careless would that be ?

Did you hear of shopkeeper Barry Parker's account of that visit? Sheila was described as "vague and distant", she showed no interest in the children, she had lipstick smudged over her teeth. She did manage to speak, saying "I like them" when referring to the boys' new pumps, but it seemed as usual that June was the one in charge.

[Jane]

I don't get this though, because phones only ring a certain amount of times before the line goes dead?.

We've talked about this on many occasions. Caroline actually managed to contact someone who was in charge of the exchange. Can't recall the details. Suffice to say things were very different, then, to how they are, now.

[Adam]

I don't get this though, because phones only ring a certain amount of times before the line goes dead?.

Especially once Bamber's answering machine came on. But apparently Bamber had turned his answering machine off that night.  So Nevill waited, and waited. While blood poured from his 4 shots.

Then Nevill rang EP 16 minutes later.