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Offline susan

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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #135 on: April 07, 2017, 01:39:PM »




You're beginning to sound like a parrot. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Adam why would Sheila use a silencer?  She would have the advantage over her Dad if he had been shot prior to the struggle in the kitchen.

Sorry lookout this is in reply to Adam when he was being a parrot and posted in the wrong bit :'(
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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #136 on: April 07, 2017, 01:51:PM »
Adam why would Sheila use a silencer?  She would have the advantage over her Dad if he had been shot prior to the struggle in the kitchen.

Sorry lookout this is in reply to Adam when he was being a parrot and posted in the wrong bit :'(

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8255.0.html

Agree.

Bamber said he left the rifle without the silencer.  Only Lookout has said Sheila put the silencer on. Although Nevill was awake.

This suggestion has received no support. See recent thread above.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2017, 01:52:PM by Adam »
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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #137 on: April 07, 2017, 04:15:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8255.0.html

Agree.

Bamber said he left the rifle without the silencer.  Only Lookout has said Sheila put the silencer on. Although Nevill was awake.

This suggestion has received no support. See recent thread above.

Hi Adam
I did not realise only lookout thought the silencer was used.  My mistake.

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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #138 on: April 07, 2017, 06:07:PM »
Withdrawal effects from Haloperidol was also responsible for the deaths of 5 children belonging to Andrea Yates when she drowned them all.
 Weaning by degrees to a half dose is recommended,as is monitoring for effects as the process of a sudden reduction can cause violence in an already vulnerable and usually suicidal individual. 

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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #139 on: April 07, 2017, 06:09:PM »
Withdrawal effects from Haloperidol was also responsible for the deaths of 5 children belonging to Andrea Yates when she drowned them all.
 Weaning by degrees to a half dose is recommended,as is monitoring for effects as the process of a sudden reduction can cause violence in an already vulnerable and usually suicidal individual.

No it wasn't!
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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #140 on: April 07, 2017, 06:29:PM »
Withdrawal effects from Haloperidol was also responsible for the deaths of 5 children belonging to Andrea Yates when she drowned them all.
 Weaning by degrees to a half dose is recommended,as is monitoring for effects as the process of a sudden reduction can cause violence in an already vulnerable and usually suicidal individual.

Do you have empirical evidence of this claim, because it seems as if there are those here who have it of quite the opposite of what you'd have us believe. I have no idea what the contraindications -provided with the drug- are of Haloperidol, but I was once taking meds which warned of the dangers of stopping them without medical supervision. It didn't however, mention the possibility of violence.

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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #141 on: April 07, 2017, 06:31:PM »
There were similarities and differences. It was the husband who was the religious individual, not Andrea. She seemed to the layman like me to be on a cocktail of drugs:


Russell Yates has said that his wife had taken four drugs for her emotional difficulties. One of them, Haldol (haloperidol) is particularly powerful, utilized, according to a mental health monograph, “in the management of manifestations of acute and chronic psychosis, including schizophrenia and manic states.” Andrea started using the drug, often prescribed for people hearing voices or thinking delusionally, after the birth of her fourth child.

At the time of the June 20 tragedy she was taking Effexor and Remeron, both anti-depressants, and had been previously taking Wellbutrin, another anti-depressant, as well as Haldol. Yates told the press that his wife had been in therapy, but was not at the time of the killings. “He said they had recently talked about her going into therapy again but she had not got around to it yet,” the Houston Chronicle reported.

Her symptoms seemed to be similar to Sheila's:

Yates also explained that the birth of the couple’s fifth child and the death of his wife’s father had triggered another episode of extreme depression. She had become withdrawn and “robotic” in her movements in the three weeks before the children’s killings, he said. Her brother has told the press that Andrea put a knife to her own throat while visiting her mother’s house this spring—presumably after her father’s death—and again threatened to kill herself. Cases of women undergoing post-partum depression are relatively common; post-partum psychosis of the sort Andrea Yates apparently suffered from is extremely rare.

She deferred to her husband on all matters: it was he who wanted a large family. She felt trapped in the home, exhausted through teaching and a low self-esteem:

The details that have been made public about the few months leading up to June 20 paint a picture of an increasingly desperate Andrea Yates, subject to psychotic episodes and severe depression, struggling to live up the ideal “Christian” lifestyle, trapped with her five young children twenty-four hours a day . And instead of seeking serious professional, psychiatric help, the couple could only call on more of the same, stultifying fundamentalist dogma.

If you believe Sheila guilty then the motive is probably the same for both:

It is possible that the couple hoped a fifth child would help Andrea through her mental difficulties. But the depression, despite her best efforts, persisted and deepened. Perhaps she concluded that her “bad” thoughts and behavior were contaminating her children. Psychologists have defined a mental state they term “altruistic filicide” (filicide means the murder of a child by a parent), which usually involves a mother killing her children because she believes she is doing the best thing for them, that they are literally better off dead.
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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #142 on: April 07, 2017, 06:34:PM »
Withdrawal effects from Haloperidol was also responsible for the deaths of 5 children belonging to Andrea Yates when she drowned them all.
 Weaning by degrees to a half dose is recommended,as is monitoring for effects as the process of a sudden reduction can cause violence in an already vulnerable and usually suicidal individual.

That guy who killed 87 people by running them over with a lorry then started shooting at the police who responded. Was on Haloperidol.

The guy who shot dead Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield. Was on Haloperidol.


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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #143 on: April 07, 2017, 06:36:PM »
That guy who killed 87 people by running them over with a lorry then started shooting at the police who responded. Was on Haloperidol.

The guy who shot dead Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield. Was on Haloperidol.
Do you mean the Nice, France attack? I'm always wary of drugs where you end on a cocktail, one to counteract the other.

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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #144 on: April 07, 2017, 09:04:PM »
Withdrawal effects from Haloperidol was also responsible for the deaths of 5 children belonging to Andrea Yates when she drowned them all.
 Weaning by degrees to a half dose is recommended,as is monitoring for effects as the process of a sudden reduction can cause violence in an already vulnerable and usually suicidal individual.

Haloperidol was the only drug that worked for Andrea Yates, her doctor took her off this medication two weeks before she killed her children.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,218445,00.html
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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #145 on: April 07, 2017, 09:44:PM »
That guy who killed 87 people by running them over with a lorry then started shooting at the police who responded. Was on Haloperidol.

The guy who shot dead Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield. Was on Haloperidol.

Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was prescribed haldol in 2004, where does it state that he was still taking haldol when he killed 84 people?

Eddie Ray Routh openly admitted to not taking his medication, he said it made him feel that an f'ing zombie. No one knows if he was taking it when he killed Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield as he wasn't taking it intravenously and he was discharged from hospital.

 
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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #146 on: April 07, 2017, 11:31:PM »
Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was prescribed haldol in 2004, where does it state that he was still taking haldol when he killed 84 people?

Eddie Ray Routh openly admitted to not taking his medication, he said it made him feel that an f'ing zombie. No one knows if he was taking it when he killed Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield as he wasn't taking it intravenously and he was discharged from hospital.


The news article I read never mentioned any dates.  :-\

Here is an interesting extract from - International Journal of Law and Psychiatry: A comparison of parricide and attempted parricide:
a study of 39 psychotic adults.

More than half of the patients had a history of alcohol consumption or drug use within 6
months before the assault. Additionally, 18% were intoxicated during the offense. In 24 cases
(62%), subjects had been prescribed psychotropic medication before the offense. Of those, 9
stopped taking the psychotropic medication and 11 took it irregularly (20/24, 83%). Of the 20
patients, 7 (35%) were under a professional’s care.
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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #147 on: April 08, 2017, 08:59:AM »
Hi Adam
I did not realise only lookout thought the silencer was used.  My mistake.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8255.0.html

Me & Lookout agree that no one fabricated the silencer.

However Lookout's suggestion that Sheila put on the silencer pre/mid massacre & then took it off & put it away has received no support. See above thread.
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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #148 on: April 08, 2017, 11:21:AM »

The news article I read never mentioned any dates.  :-\

Here is an interesting extract from - International Journal of Law and Psychiatry: A comparison of parricide and attempted parricide:
a study of 39 psychotic adults.

More than half of the patients had a history of alcohol consumption or drug use within 6
months before the assault. Additionally, 18% were intoxicated during the offense. In 24 cases
(62%), subjects had been prescribed psychotropic medication before the offense. Of those, 9
stopped taking the psychotropic medication and 11 took it irregularly (20/24, 83%). Of the 20
patients, 7 (35%) were under a professional’s care.
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Interesting maybe, but none of it applies to Sheila.
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Re: Effects of Haloperidol
« Reply #149 on: April 08, 2017, 11:50:AM »
Until we see Sheila's medical notes,if ever,then we don't know what applies to her,or doesn't.
 For instance,if she'd ever spoken of suicide to any of the doctors,because if so,she shouldn't have been receiving Haloperidol or any fluoxetine " type " medication because they exacerbate the urge to commit suicide.
"One size does not fit all" where dangerous medications are concerned.