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« Reply #765 on: May 22, 2017, 12:13:PM »




What ? At least 20 deaths ? It's unacceptable. Staff have probably ignored those who've spoken of suicide-----the same as Ferguson had done with Sheila when she told him she could murder her sons,etc etc.

He couldn't safeguard against what hadn't occurred. Sheila didn't mention children or family during her 1985 stay. Sheila's confusion re her sons was in 1983. Ferguson couldn't have preempted a problem which no longer existed. He went with the immediacy.

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« Reply #766 on: May 22, 2017, 12:31:PM »
He couldn't safeguard against what hadn't occurred. Sheila didn't mention children or family during her 1985 stay. Sheila's confusion re her sons was in 1983. Ferguson couldn't have preempted a problem which no longer existed. He went with the immediacy.





Until we see medical records of 1985,we don't know who Sheila had mentioned in those notes,but it was reported that her state of mental health had been more of a concern than had been at previous times. In CC's book the doctor had explained that the psychotic attacks would be more frequent. It would have appeared that staff had reached " the end of the line " regarding treatment.

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« Reply #767 on: May 22, 2017, 02:47:PM »




Until we see medical records of 1985,we don't know who Sheila had mentioned in those notes,but it was reported that her state of mental health had been more of a concern than had been at previous times. In CC's book the doctor had explained that the psychotic attacks would be more frequent. It would have appeared that staff had reached " the end of the line " regarding treatment.

Wwe know who she didn't mention - she didn't mention the twins or the family because Ferguson.
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« Reply #768 on: May 22, 2017, 03:02:PM »
Wwe know who she didn't mention - she didn't mention the twins or the family because Ferguson.






It's quite clear that JB hadn't previously known of Sheila's conversation about killing the twins or he'd have " used " that from the beginning ?

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« Reply #769 on: May 22, 2017, 03:04:PM »
People had only heard of JB's alleged " threats ".

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« Reply #770 on: May 22, 2017, 03:22:PM »
People had only heard of JB's alleged " threats ".

As, too, it would seem, are Sheila's. What she said to Ferguson, re her thoughts about them, was that she was afraid she might do them harm, which isn't quite the same as threatening to kill them.

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« Reply #771 on: May 22, 2017, 04:00:PM »
As, too, it would seem, are Sheila's. What she said to Ferguson, re her thoughts about them, was that she was afraid she might do them harm, which isn't quite the same as threatening to kill them.





A sick mind is very different from normal thinking. Sheila,in her own mind was telling Ferguson what she might do to them by way of a cry for help--------which he hadn't understood.

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« Reply #772 on: May 22, 2017, 04:24:PM »




A sick mind is very different from normal thinking. Sheila,in her own mind was telling Ferguson what she might do to them by way of a cry for help--------which he hadn't understood.

In 1983. NOT 1985.

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« Reply #773 on: May 22, 2017, 04:57:PM »
In 1983. NOT 1985.






Very likely BOTH. We've yet to know. Her prognosis according to what Ferguson told CC wasn't so hot.

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« Reply #774 on: May 22, 2017, 05:29:PM »





Very likely BOTH. We've yet to know. Her prognosis according to what Ferguson told CC wasn't so hot.

But he never said it was unmanageable.

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« Reply #775 on: May 22, 2017, 05:39:PM »

TomG says from reading CAL's book he believes Bamber is innocent because Nevill's first two face shots from inches away didn't kill him.


This comment is completely unacceptable.  I didn't say any such thing.  I request that you delete the post.  If you don't I request that the moderator do so. 


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« Reply #776 on: May 22, 2017, 05:40:PM »
But he never said it was unmanageable.





He didn't mention manageable either---------just that the "episodes" would be more frequent.

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« Reply #777 on: May 22, 2017, 05:44:PM »




He didn't mention manageable either---------just that the "episodes" would be more frequent.

Which, with the correct medication, doesn't mean unmanageable. I see you're attempting to put word in his mouth that he didn't say.

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« Reply #778 on: May 22, 2017, 05:48:PM »

This comment is completely unacceptable.  I didn't say any such thing.  I request that you delete the post.  If you don't I request that the moderator do so. 


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Get off you're high horse, or rather donkey. You big drama queen.

And can you please provide you're Sheila scenario which I requested yesterday. I have already given you my Bamber scenario.
 
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« Reply #779 on: May 22, 2017, 05:48:PM »
What we're discussing her is why JB decided to shoot Nevill in the mouth and jaw knowing that neither of them were kill shots, while using a weapon that was totally inappropriate and using only one magazine.  JB couldn't afford to fire wasteful shots.  I would be looking at something more like "here's one in the mouth for all the violence I had to suffer when I was a kid, and here's another for all the sexual abuse I had to put up with just to satisfy your perversions, you old b*****d, but according to CAL's book which is pretty thorough on family history, none of it exists.  Nevill was a thoroughly decent guy, even Jeremy would have known that.

I think Nevill was shot deliberately in the mouth from very close range for a reason and that was simply that he got calls away.
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