Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[Adam]

So by the time the fight for life occurred downstairs he was NOT fully fit

Correct. But still put up "a tremendous fight for life" according to the judge. And crime scene evidence.

[Lucy522]

Correct. But still put up "a tremendous fight for life" according to the judge. And crime scene evidence.

A struggle had occurred agreed but the person who hadn't been blasted 4 times by a shotgun would of got the upper hand

[David1819]

Correct. But still put up "a tremendous fight for life" according to the judge. And crime scene evidence.

Show the trial transcript.

[Adam]

Show the trial transcript.

It's in Wilkes's book.

[David1819]

It's in Wilkes's book.

The transcript verbatim?

[Lucy522]

Neville after receiving 4 wounds wouldn't of been able to put up a fight, more like Sheila swinging wildly with a gun in the kitchen smashing things, Neville probably fell onto the table

[Adam]

Show the trial transcript.

Why don't you get Wilkes's or CAL's book. Justice ordered Wilkes's book for £0.01p last week.

It will give you a more rounded view of the case than creating you're own diagrams to back up you're own theories does.

TomG says from reading CAL's book he believes Bamber is innocent because Nevill's first two face shots from inches away didn't kill him.

[Adam]

Neville after receiving 4 wounds wouldn't of been able to put up a fight, more like Sheila swinging wildly with a gun in the kitchen smashing things, Neville probably fell onto the table

You have not read the 2002 appeal section on Nevill's injuries. Although I have posted it several times.

Or taken into account the crime scene of knocked over chairs & bowls, smashed crockery & ceiling lights & a scratched aga. Or that Nevill was able to get downstairs after two of his upstairs shots had only hit his body.

Of course Nevill put up a massive fight for life and would have overcome a recovering anorexic on Haloperidol.

[Adam]

42. The examination of Nevill Bamber's body also revealed black eyes and a broken nose, linear bruising to the cheeks, lacerations to the head, linear type bruising to the right forearm, bruising to the left wrist and forearm and three circular burn type marks to the back. The linear marks were consistent with Mr Bamber having been struck with a long blunt object, possibly a gun.

[lookout]

Upstairs or downstairs ?

[lookout]

Essex mental health has come under fire for their lack of care to those patients who are suicidal.

[Jane]

Essex mental health has come under fire for their lack of care to those patients who are suicidal.

More correctly, it's only just found its way into the press. There have long been whispers. I believe, and see no reason to doubt, that a certain number of suicides are regarded as being within the parameters of acceptable.

[lookout]

More correctly, it's only just found its way into the press. There have long been whispers. I believe, and see no reason to doubt, that a certain number of suicides are regarded as being within the parameters of acceptable.

What ? At least 20 deaths ? It's unacceptable. Staff have probably ignored those who've spoken of suicide-----the same as Ferguson had done with Sheila when she told him she could murder her sons,etc etc.

[lookout]

I don't care what you or anyone else says,these people were let down,as usual. Incompetence reigns !!

[maggie]

More correctly, it's only just found its way into the press. There have long been whispers. I believe, and see no reason to doubt, that a certain number of suicides are regarded as being within the parameters of acceptable.

I would guess the usual reason is to blame Lookout.  Underfunding, shortage of staff leading to those trying to do their best being overworked and stressed out.