Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[Caroline]

And Jeremy kindly obliged to help Sheila. Hardly the behaviour of Simeon who hated his sister

It was a lift home not the offer of a kidney! 

[susan]

But Police had to be presented with a fait accompli: five dead bodies with a rifle and bible atop her.

Hi Steve sorry I don't quite understand your post my ignorance I would say.  The point I have been trying to make if Jeremy intended and did kill his family he would not have been telling the police he did not like her or she was a nutter that was so disrespectful he would have changed his behaviour and behaved like one would expect a grieving brother to behave and if guilty he would not have been trying to sell nude pictures of her that is not the behaviour of a guilty man he would have done everything that was expected then when the case was closed he could have started behaving like he seemed to have done quite appalling IMO

[Caroline]

Hi Steve sorry I don't quite understand your post my ignorance I would say.  The point I have been trying to make if Jeremy intended and did kill his family he would not have been telling the police he did not like her or she was a nutter that was so disrespectful he would have changed his behaviour and behaved like one would expect a grieving brother to behave and if guilty he would not have been trying to sell nude pictures of her that is not the behaviour of a guilty man he would have done everything that was expected then when the case was closed he could have started behaving like he seemed to have done quite appalling IMO

If others knew they didn't get along, him saying they did, would look suspicious.

[JackiePreece]

It was a lift home not the offer of a kidney! 

10 out of 10 for observation

[JackiePreece]

Hi Steve sorry I don't quite understand your post my ignorance I would say.  The point I have been trying to make if Jeremy intended and did kill his family he would not have been telling the police he did not like her or she was a nutter that was so disrespectful he would have changed his behaviour and behaved like one would expect a grieving brother to behave and if guilty he would not have been trying to sell nude pictures of her that is not the behaviour of a guilty man he would have done everything that was expected then when the case was closed he could have started behaving like he seemed to have done quite appalling IMO

Perfect Susan

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve sorry I don't quite understand your post my ignorance I would say.  The point I have been trying to make if Jeremy intended and did kill his family he would not have been telling the police he did not like her or she was a nutter that was so disrespectful he would have changed his behaviour and behaved like one would expect a grieving brother to behave and if guilty he would not have been trying to sell nude pictures of her that is not the behaviour of a guilty man he would have done everything that was expected then when the case was closed he could have started behaving like he seemed to have done quite appalling IMO

Well he did try the grieving bit in front of PC Myall and Dr. Craig. But others testified he didn't seem bothered about the deaths at all (Len Foakes, Karen Boutflour, DS Stan Jones heard what could have been a chuckle). He had to be given the chance to emphasize his sister's emotional instability, her confinement to hospital and he embellished the story about target practice. In fact all was concocted to delay entry into the Farm until he hoped she had bled to death.

As far as the nude pictures were concerned he thought it was all over by that stage, and as Caroline has said he has never denied that story.

[susan]

Perfect Susan

Jackie I am not sure if the friends and family knew much about the relationship between Jeremy and Sheila they would know they had the normal spats but nothing serious.  God forbid if I decided to murder my family I would make sure it looked like I loved them to bits and I would not say one wrong word people might think then I had committed the murders.  It is said he was play acting after the funerals IMO that was not the behaviour of a guilty man.

[JackiePreece]

Well he did try the grieving bit in front of PC Myall and Dr. Craig. But others testified he didn't seem bothered about the deaths at all (Len Foakes, Karen Boutflour, DS Stan Jones heard what could have been a chuckle). He had to be given the chance to emphasize his sister's emotional instability, her confinement to hospital and he embellished the story about target practice. In fact all was concocted to delay entry into the Farm until he hoped she had bled to death.

As far as the nude pictures were concerned he thought it was all over by that stage, and as Caroline has said he has never denied that story.

Well we can only take Caroline's word for that. She had plenty of time between to Christmas cards to push for an answer

The story of the nude photos has been doing the rounds for years
She didn't seem to believe it when she thought Jeremy was innocent

[susan]

Well he did try the grieving bit in front of PC Myall and Dr. Craig. But others testified he didn't seem bothered about the deaths at all (Len Foakes, Karen Boutflour, DS Stan Jones heard what could have been a chuckle). He had to be given the chance to emphasize his sister's emotional instability, her confinement to hospital and he embellished the story about target practice. In fact all was concocted to delay entry into the Farm until he hoped she had bled to death.

As far as the nude pictures were concerned he thought it was all over by that stage, and as Caroline has said he has never denied that story.

Steve I was not implying he denied the appalling act of selling photo's of Sheila I know very little about that he was correct in talking about her hospital treatment but to call her a nutter was disrespectful and showed him in a bad light surely he must have known that his behaviour infront of Len and the others was not very clever a guilty man would not behave like that IMO

[JackiePreece]

Steve I was not implying he denied the appalling act of selling photo's of Sheila I know very little about that he was correct in talking about her hospital treatment but to call her a nutter was disrespectful and showed him in a bad light surely he must have known that his behaviour infront of Len and the others was not very clever a guilty man would not behave like that IMO

Or the fact that he believed the police had shot his family when the bodies were found

If the plan was to blame Sheila he would have done that straight away

Steve I was not implying he denied the appalling act of selling photo's of Sheila I know very little about that he was correct in talking about her hospital treatment but to call her a nutter was disrespectful and showed him in a bad light surely he must have known that his behaviour infront of Len and the others was not very clever a guilty man would not behave like that IMO

[Steve_uk]

Or the fact that he believed the police had shot his family when the bodies were found

If the plan was to blame Sheila he would have done that straight away

He more or less did, by saying she had recently indulged in target practice.

[Jane]

Well he did try the grieving bit in front of PC Myall and Dr. Craig. But others testified he didn't seem bothered about the deaths at all (Len Foakes, Karen Boutflour, DS Stan Jones heard what could have been a chuckle). He had to be given the chance to emphasize his sister's emotional instability, her confinement to hospital and he embellished the story about target practice. In fact all was concocted to delay entry into the Farm until he hoped she had bled to death.

As far as the nude pictures were concerned he thought it was all over by that stage, and as Caroline has said he has never denied that story.

Not a scientific study, I know, but it would be interesting to know how many believed he truly grieved as opposed to those who thought he didn't. I totally concur with your view of his story telling. He had the stage. He could say what he wanted. Describe her as he wanted her to be seen..................and he DID say he should have been a actor. This, then, was one of his finest roles.

[JackiePreece]

Not a scientific study, I know, but it would be interesting to know how many believed he truly grieved as opposed to those who thought he didn't. I totally concur with your view of his story telling. He had the stage. He could say what he wanted. Describe her as he wanted her to be seen..................and he DID say he should have been a actor. This, then, was one of his finest roles.

What do you mean

He DID say he should have been an actor

Absolute hearsay from the liar and fraudster Mugford

Show proof he said that

I don't believe he said that at all because of the source
Absolute rubbish

[Jane]

I've read that it always appeared to be Jeremy who took Sheila home from parties because Colin had drunk too much.
 It has to be remembered -IF this is to be believed- that Colin and Sheila had been divorced for circa 5 years. Sheila WASN'T his responsibility. What interests me more is to learn about how many other parties did Jeremy attend, where the guest also included Sheila and Colin, and where, because of Colin's over imbibing, he was required to escort Sheila home.

[guest7363]

What do you mean

He DID say he should have been an actor

Absolute hearsay from the liar and fraudster Mugford

Show proof he said that

I don't believe he said that at all because of the source
Absolute rubbish

Stan Jones also verified this, although you don't want to believe it.

"On the second day after the shooting I spoke out and said it was Bamber who did it. I was ostracised and (I) spent a month of hell.

"When I chatted to Bamber I didn't get the reaction of someone who had lost all his family. On the day of the discovery I was chatting to him at his home in Goldhanger when Julie turns up."

As the couple spoke he thought he heard Bamber laugh.

"I thought 'was that a laugh or a cough' and later she confirmed it was a laugh and Jeremy said 'what an actor I am'."

That's two people who was there.