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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #511 on: April 16, 2017, 01:09:PM »
The tragedy is so many people had premonitions but nothing ended up being done.

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« Reply #512 on: April 16, 2017, 01:13:PM »
Caring brother? Notsure, he told police that he didn't like her and she didn't like him. He told an employee that he wasn't sharing any money with Sheila. Does either sound caring?

Jeremy showed on many occasions his caring side and there are many fall outs between siblings that does not mean he ever considered murdering her
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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #513 on: April 16, 2017, 01:18:PM »
So
Why take her home then.
If he disliked her that much he didn't have to bother.

Exactly Not sure, he didn't have to take her home and he wouldn't have if he didn't care about her

Nearly everything written on this forum regarding Sheila and Jeremy's relationship is purely speculation

As early everyone on this forum doesn't give there real names so people posting pure speculation could be connected to the people trying to keep JB in prison
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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #514 on: April 16, 2017, 01:29:PM »
So
Why take her home then.
If he disliked her that much he didn't have to bother.

One of the most fascinating things on this forum is the way people profess to know about Jeremy and Sheila's relationship and Sheila's health issues yet apparently nobody saw Sheila enough to identify the twins when they were killed
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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #515 on: April 16, 2017, 01:40:PM »
So
Why take her home then.
If he disliked her that much he didn't have to bother.

Because he hadn't drank very much and Colin had, not sure how just giving her a lift home proves they got on? Interesting that when he returned, he started asking Colin about Sheila's illness. So much for not knowing anything about it.
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« Reply #516 on: April 16, 2017, 01:43:PM »
Because he hadn't drank very much and Colin had, not sure how just giving her a lift home proves they got on? Interesting that when he returned, he started asking Colin about Sheila's illness. So much for not knowing anything about it.

Unfortunately you weren't there so you were not privy to the conversation so you don't know what was said

It was a very kind gesture from Jeremy
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« Reply #517 on: April 16, 2017, 01:46:PM »
Unfortunately you weren't there so you were not privy to the conversation so you don't know what was said

It was a very kind gesture from Jeremy

Neither were you but Colin was!

He didn't offer, he was asked.
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« Reply #518 on: April 16, 2017, 01:49:PM »
Colin asked him to because she'd asked him but he'd had too much to drink. Besides which, I'm sure we've all found ourselves doing things for people we don't care very much for. It's been insisted here that Jeremy hadn't spoken to June for years because he hated her. Life isn't that simple. It isn't black or white.

I keep seeing posts from supporters about how Jeremy's words, about his relationship with Sheila, have been misinterpreted. I suppose there are those here who wish they'd tried harder to see/speak with a friend/relative who subsequently died before that happened. Jeremy was given that chance by police who didn't know Sheila was already dead. Jeremy turned down the opportunity to try to speak to her -understandably. It seems strange to me that, at 25, he hadn't got over what could have been no more than childhood dislike of a sibling. Given how serious was the situation, it suggests there may have been a much deeper dislike that he wasn't prepared to set aside

Attempts are being made to second guess what was the meaning of his words. In a world where I believe nothing is said for nothing, I believe he meant every word of what he said about her. Especially those he said whilst he was under pressure.


 

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« Reply #519 on: April 16, 2017, 02:00:PM »
I keep seeing posts from supporters about how Jeremy's words, about his relationship with Sheila, have been misinterpreted. I suppose there are those here who wish they'd tried harder to see/speak with a friend/relative who subsequently died before that happened. Jeremy was given that chance by police who didn't know Sheila was already dead. Jeremy turned down the opportunity to try to speak to her -understandably. It seems strange to me that, at 25, he hadn't got over what could have been no more than childhood dislike of a sibling. Given how serious was the situation, it suggests there may have been a much deeper dislike that he wasn't prepared to set aside

Attempts are being made to second guess what was the meaning of his words. In a world where I believe nothing is said for nothing, I believe he meant every word of what he said about her. Especially those he said whilst he was under pressure.
I also get this feeling Jane, reading between the lines of the books and the statements. Julie said he had told her "she had done some horrible things to him in the past, but wouldn't elaborate on what these things were". I think as long as Jeremy was as Gresham's and not achieving much, which would have dented his self-confidence, and of course the distance that put between them, an uneasy modus vivendi was reached, though once he realized how his future had been mapped out as opposed to Sheila's comparative autonomy the resentment increased. Strange how from relatively trivial matters such as being made to buy carpets and refurbish Bourtree Cottage an insidious rancour can develop.

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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #520 on: April 16, 2017, 02:00:PM »




The usual brotherly/sisterly " love ". I didn't like my brother and he didn't like me-------until we were well older. Nothing unusual in brother versus sister squabbles. All part of life and perfectly normal.

Another thing we mustn't forget is that it always seemed to have been Jeremy that took Sheila home and not Colin who was always too drunk,so we have to ask ourselves if these were also Jeremy's thoughts rather than him openly remarking ?



Hi lookout  after reading all the posts on the relationship between Jeremy and Sheila it totally amazes me that if he intended to murder her and the rest of the family he would have pretended to really liked her and he would have told the police positive stories and would not have been saying how he disliked her and that she was a nutter I suspect he would have played his cards smarter than that.

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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #521 on: April 16, 2017, 02:02:PM »
Hi lookout  after reading all the posts on the relationship between Jeremy and Sheila it totally amazes me that if he intended to murder her and the rest of the family he would have pretended to really liked her and he would have told the police positive stories and would not have been saying how he disliked her and that she was a nutter I suspect he would have played his cards smarter than that.
But Police had to be presented with a fait accompli: five dead bodies with a rifle and bible atop her.

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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #522 on: April 16, 2017, 02:08:PM »
I have removed posts from this thread due to yesterdays punch up........

Nothing new to say really except to remind you that forum members can be banned for personal abuse.  Some are close to a warning.  Thanks.




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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #523 on: April 16, 2017, 02:09:PM »
Neither were you but Colin was!

He didn't offer, he was asked.

And Jeremy kindly obliged to help Sheila. Hardly the behaviour of Simeon who hated his sister
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« Reply #524 on: April 16, 2017, 02:12:PM »
I keep seeing posts from supporters about how Jeremy's words, about his relationship with Sheila, have been misinterpreted. I suppose there are those here who wish they'd tried harder to see/speak with a friend/relative who subsequently died before that happened. Jeremy was given that chance by police who didn't know Sheila was already dead. Jeremy turned down the opportunity to try to speak to her -understandably. It seems strange to me that, at 25, he hadn't got over what could have been no more than childhood dislike of a sibling. Given how serious was the situation, it suggests there may have been a much deeper dislike that he wasn't prepared to set aside

Attempts are being made to second guess what was the meaning of his words. In a world where I believe nothing is said for nothing, I believe he meant every word of what he said about her. Especially those he said whilst he was under pressure.


Pure speculation
No facts
You believe??
I am interested in facts
Please explain what the phrase I believe means???
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