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Offline JackiePreece

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« Reply #285 on: April 14, 2017, 01:29:PM »
No he had a job he loathed, surrounded by people he hated and who had controlled every second of his life almost from the cradle. He blamed June for sending him away to Gresham's at eight years old, she was unable to communicate with him and express her love openly because of her illness, but he had to conform to her standards of morality, which is why he blamed her for driving Suzette away. Nobody could fail to get along with Nevill, but he was still the boss, which Jeremy resented, though as he told Julie on the way to Pevensey: "I do miss the old man occasionally." He saw an opportunity to start anew and put people he thought would be better off dead out of their misery, and availed himself of this aperture to commit such heinous crimes he's really better off dead himself now, instead of going through the daily motions of his charade with a few diehard acolytes like yourself in tow.

You have read too much Enid Blyton
There is no evidence loathed his adoptive parents and he saw no need to look for his real parents
Your posts are just fairy stories
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« Reply #286 on: April 14, 2017, 01:30:PM »
Sorry! I'm still a bit perplexed with this being the rookie that I am, and not nearly as clued up as you.  Craig is quoted in the book as "Seeing only one gunshot wound at that stage" I wanted to know what one it was.  You are referring to "both wounds"; however Dr. Craig sees only one, which one does he see?

He didn't say which wound he was referring to. Your mistake (and a lot of people make it) is thinking that the lower wound was not fatal. It wasn't immediately fatal BUT the bullet caught the jugular she it would  have eventually killed her.
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« Reply #287 on: April 14, 2017, 01:33:PM »
Now this is laughable! How the hell would she know what he was wearing?  ::)

I have given my answer yet you seem unable to comprehend plain English

Any police force acting on information Mugford was claiming would want to know what clothes the accused person was wearing

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« Reply #288 on: April 14, 2017, 01:35:PM »
Nevill was sixty-one years old, had recently been ill and had put in long hours at the Farm. He had been shot with pellets in his head. Is it any wonder that there was no physical contact with his son?

So no ferocious fight with Neville then?
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« Reply #289 on: April 14, 2017, 01:35:PM »
You have read too much Enid Blyton
There is no evidence loathed his adoptive parents and he saw no need to look for his real parents
Your posts are just fairy stories
There's plenty of evidence from Michael Deckers at the Frog and Beans in Colchester to James Richards in Lewisham, even if you don't want to believe Julie, Robert Boutflour or Mary Mugford.

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« Reply #290 on: April 14, 2017, 01:36:PM »
You have read too much Enid Blyton
There is no evidence loathed his adoptive parents and he saw no need to look for his real parents
Your posts are just fairy stories

You clearly haven't read enough, I don't recall "Five Blast Their Family To Kingdom Come (Then Had Lashings of Lemonade)" but maybe I missed that one?  ;D

There is evidence, he said so to others, he talked of killing them and they ended up dead.

Your posts are repetitive.
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« Reply #291 on: April 14, 2017, 01:37:PM »
But there was evidence four weeks later-spots of blood on a shirt collar hanging up in the wardrobe at Bourtree Cottage, which were too badly decomposed by that stage for John Hayward to analyse conclusively.

So are you suggesting the blood could have come from Jeremy cutting himself shaving or are you suggesting he wore the shirt under the wetsuit
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« Reply #292 on: April 14, 2017, 01:38:PM »
I have given my answer yet you seem unable to comprehend plain English

Any police force acting on information Mugford was claiming would want to know what clothes the accused person was wearing

And they asked him, clearly he didn't give Julie the fashion low-down!  ::)
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« Reply #293 on: April 14, 2017, 01:39:PM »
Quite simply Dr. Craig was an elderly gentleman GP probably with failing eyesight and who was just about up to writing prescriptions for antibiotics and flattering old ladies' egos in the surgery.

A professional who is not up to the job. What a surprise!

What a disgraceful post
Who are you to judge a professional person
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« Reply #294 on: April 14, 2017, 01:39:PM »
So no ferocious fight with Neville then?
Jeremy told Julie that "Matthew" was wearing gloves. Why would they be contact crimes? Nevill was lucky to get a hand on the gun, which necessitated "Matthew" wiping the gun down. The ferocious fight was rather one-sided as an unarmed 61-year-old man with lead pellets lodged in his head struggled with a man half his age bent on revenge.

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« Reply #295 on: April 14, 2017, 01:40:PM »
At no point in Mugfords numerous statements did Mugford EVER mention Jeremy had any injuries
Not even a bruise

Other than the two bullet holes in her throat, neither did Sheila!
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« Reply #296 on: April 14, 2017, 01:41:PM »
Yes, I do but by your argument, you don't know he's innocent!
That's why nobody takes your posts seriously

You do NOT know JB is guilty

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« Reply #297 on: April 14, 2017, 01:43:PM »
You have no idea what you're talking about - 'googling suicide notes'? Try googling 'idiot'!

Once again another ridiculous post

Nobody can predict who would leave a suicide note and who wouldn't

Nobody can tell

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« Reply #298 on: April 14, 2017, 01:48:PM »
There's plenty of evidence from Michael Deckers at the Frog and Beans in Colchester to James Richards in Lewisham, even if you don't want to believe Julie, Robert Boutflour or Mary Mugford.

There was plenty of evidence to say the opposite

Barbara Wilson for one, people JB went to school with
People JB grew up with who have given testimonials
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Re: Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.
« Reply #299 on: April 14, 2017, 01:49:PM »
If evidence was ever concealed, how would she or anyone else be party to it? Like you said yourself, there isn't an envelope with 'concealed evidence' written on it. And like I said, I think your new vigour is simply to try and readdress a conceived imbalance on the forum.

Arguing that evidence exists without evidence to back it up, isn't a strong argument. For your theory to be correct, not only did EP conspire but the conspiracy went from brass tacks up to senior level, spreading to the civilian section and the lab workers. And even today 30 years on the echelons are working to keep one Jeremy Bamber (farmer) in prison. But it's OK, this theory doesn't need a 'why' - it just is?  ???

To imply that my recent posts are related an imbalance on the forum is a bit below the belt.  I'm not a liar Caroline and I'm not an attention seeker.  I don't use tactics. 

I still do not understand why you have a problem with so called 'conspiracies' involving police corruption / forensics etc.  The police do and have fit people up over the years.  It probably does require a joint effort, involving prosecution witnesses and technicians or experts of some sort giving one-sided evidence or asking loaded questions etc.  It probably also involves various examples of non-disclosure and obstruction / using the system to impede rather than to assist an accused etc.  There do not seem to be many whistle-blowers for this kind of thing.  It either gets uncovered or it does not.  To pretend it doesn't exist - I just don't get.  i have asked on here whether anyone knows any police whistle-blowers regarding specific cases.  There probably aren't because they probably raise concerns internally and their concerns are simply noted!

Regarding Jacqui - I meant if she was aware of specific evidence that clearly indicated Sheila - then she would of course be right in saying 'I know Jeremy didn't kill his family'.