Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[Adam]

At no point in Mugfords numerous statements did Mugford EVER mention Jeremy had any injuries
Not even a bruise

Did Bamber have injuries ?

[JackiePreece]

There's no doubt Nevill had a premonition about a premature death and maybe he hinted to Barbara so that a posthumous record would exist. Both husband and wife were trying to economize due to the cost of renovating Clifton House, and the failure of June to write out personal cheques in her son's favour led to her demise.

There's more on the routes Jeremy might have chosen here:  http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/bicycle

Note on the official site it says Jeremy had watched the television programmes which formed an alibi as they were transmitted, but as far as I can see there was nothing to prevent him from recording them, watching them when he got back and then destroying the video tape. It was the same with the telephone call from White House Farm to Bourtree Cottage, except for that Police took the tapes from Jeremy's answerphone to analyse. Of course they might have proved that there was such a call made, but not who made it.

As for the perfectly ploughed field, it was Jeremy's intention that last year to beat Nevill and June at their own game, namely to pretend to settle down to the farming lifestyle, yet secretly plotting their liquidation. He justified it to himself as mercy killings, and was helped in this by Sheila's second illness in March 1985, June's depression which she was trying hard to conceal, and Nevill's fatigue which gave his son the excuse he needed to finish him off.

What evidence have you got that Jeremy PRETENDED to settle down to farming

Provide evidence of him pretending
How ridulous, you an Adam have a lot in common

[Adam]

Jane why do you keep reminding us you know the area well.
We all get it by now.
Maybe if the police or the authorities released file 1 everyone would get a clearer picture of what happened the night of the murders
How long would you say Jeremy spent persuading a bunch of police officers Sheila was responsible for the murders
Or would you say it was a few remarks about Sheila's mental health
Would you not say Jeremy should not have mentioned Sheila's mental health problems in the circumstances
You do not seem to accept the monumental police blunders in this case
Do you not accept that the silencer evidence was dodgy to say the least?
Who do you think planted the silencer?
Do you accept it could have been someone local or someone other than Jeremy who had access to the farm house

I would appreciate answers to my individual questions

Do you think the relatives or Stan Jones fabricated the silencer. Or was it a joint effort ?

[JackiePreece]

Did Bamber have injuries ?

Well apparently he was meant to have had a ferocious fight with Neville

[Adam]

Very good point scales, I wonder why Mugford wouldn't have mentioned the shoes/boots Jeremy was wearing that night?

Julie would not know what shoes Bamber wore on that night. She was in Lewisham.

[JackiePreece]

Do you think the relatives or Stan Jones fabricated the silencer. Or was it a joint effort ?

I have no idea

I am pretty sure JB the criminal mastermind would not have put a dirty silencer back in the cupboard and then hand over the keys to supersleuth Anne Eaton

We are meant to accept that JB was a master of forensic evidence ir the wetsuit and then acts like an idiot and puts the uncleaned silencer back in the cupboard

I'm no Perry Mason but my guess would be someone who has keys to the farm

[JackiePreece]

Julie would not know what shoes Bamber wore on that night. She was in Lewisham.

I think she would have a pretty good idea what shoes Jeremy was wearing as men do not usually have a large collection of shoes and as someone with inside knowledge would know if he destroyed any shoes

If she had been telling the truth there would probably still evidence of blood four weeks later

[JackiePreece]

A woman was shooting him in the face and he did not tackle her either, personally I would have bullrushed the person he was quite capable of it being a relatively fit healthy farmer, he was also a former WW2 man so retreating in the face of danger is quite unexplainable really, whether it was bamber or shelia. You could probable walk through 22 fire if your life depends on it. It seems NB would of had time to either get out of the house or arm himself while the shooting was carrying on, or of course make a phone call.

As to marks, yes body marks may have been coverable but facial or hand marks, no, again NB was a former serviceman punching a man in the face who was attacking him would have been a natural reaction as would using a makeshift weapon, bamber did not have black eyes or a broken nose.

The silencer is the ultimate red herring, it was almost certainly never used.

But so far nobody has been charged with planting the silencer

[JackiePreece]

But more likely Bamber knew the rifle wasn't there at all. He probably hid it in the barn for collection later or put it back in the downstairs bathroom or gun cupboard with the same intention.

Probably

[JackiePreece]

You're using your own mental processes and portraying those things which would have worried you. Jeremy wouldn't have had your concerns.

You have no idea
Stick to facts on this case

[JackiePreece]

No she didn't - she was over sedated and didn't kill anyone.

You do not know
Stick to facts

[JackiePreece]

Why would she have set out to "fool everyone" during her last fortnight, Lookout? Why would this girl who loved to look pretty and to be told she looked pretty walk around smelling and looking like a bag lady? Why would she move through the party as if she wasn't there, ignoring her child when he wanted to sit on her lap? Why would she remain silent, ignoring her children and he ex husband all the way from London to Essex?

You have no idea

[Adam]

I have no idea

I am pretty sure JB the criminal mastermind would not have put a dirty silencer back in the cupboard and then hand over the keys to supersleuth Anne Eaton

We are meant to accept that JB was a master of forensic evidence ir the wetsuit and then acts like an idiot and puts the uncleaned silencer back in the cupboard

I'm no Perry Mason but my guess would be someone who has keys to the farm

Stan Jones gave AE keys & asked her to do a tidy up.  Bamber was abroad.

Bamber didn't clean the silencer. He didn't see blood splatter inside the silencer. Or the paint which was small. 

He also was not expecting the police to check. They didn't.

[JackiePreece]

Indeed. Jeremy said you can use a thin metal blade to force open the window the catch. However BEFORE and AFTER the murders took place there were no scratch marks found on those windows. The scratch marks found on the 1st of October were put there on the 16th of September when Jeremy had no keys.

So can you please prove how he entered the farm that night?

Another mystery

[JackiePreece]

Adam. If the scratch marks were not there on the 22nd of August or from the 8th to the 10th of September. Confirmed by Lunn what was wound on the 1st of October was not there when he looked from the 8th to the 10th of September. What does that mean?


June to July  - Windows freshly painted
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August 7th 1985 - Massacre
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August 22nd  - Police examine windows find no scratch marks.
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September 8th 9th 10th - Police re-examine bathroom windows after JM "comes forward" they find nothing.
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September 16th Jeremy needed to get travel documents from WHF forgot key. Used hacksaw to enter via bathroom window
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October 1st DI Cook and Brian Elliot discover scratch marks and hack saw.


So can you please prove how Jeremy entered the farm.

Thank you David